If you have an account elsewhere on lemmy go dunk on this nerd and vote accordingly: https://lemmy.world/comment/965024

Later on in my conversation with them they support Starmer and call Blair's New Labour "leftist". Claiming I am just factionalist and that it's factionalism to not call the neoliberal fuckbags left wing when they are blatantly centre right.

They're aussie aus-delenda-est

EDIT: Turns out I mistook the neoliberal responding to me about Blair later on for the same person when they are in fact different people.

EDITEDIT: The mods at lemmy.world removed comments when a guy called me antisemitic for being anti-zionist. I could learn to like them.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
    ·
    1 year ago

    It's funny, because part of why I dislike left-anticommunists is because I think they are going to get leftists killed, most likely by directly snitching them out to whatever our equivalent of the Freikorps turns out to be, in the hopes of distancing themselves when capitalists start throwing us all in the same camps for extermination.

    "This was another very difficult question I had to ask my interview subjects, especially the leftists from Southeast Asia and Latin America. When we would get to discussing the old debates between peaceful and armed revolution; between hardline Marxism and democratic socialism, I would ask: “Who was right?”

    In Guatemala, was it Árbenz or Che who had the right approach? Or in Indonesia, when Mao warned Aidit that the PKI should arm themselves, and they did not? In Chile, was it the young revolutionaries in the MIR who were right in those college debates, or the more disciplined, moderate Chilean Communist Party?

    Most of the people I spoke with who were politically involved back then believed fervently in a nonviolent approach, in gradual, peaceful, democratic change. They often had no love for the systems set up by people like Mao. But they knew that their side had lost the debate, because so many of their friends were dead. They often admitted, without hesitation or pleasure, that the hardliners had been right. Aidit’s unarmed party didn’t survive. Allende’s democratic socialism was not allowed, regardless of the détente between the Soviets and Washington.

    Looking at it this way, the major losers of the twentieth century were those who believed too sincerely in the existence of a liberal international order, those who trusted too much in democracy, or too much in what the United States said it supported, rather than what it really supported -- what the rich countries said, rather than what they did.

    That group was annihilated." - Vincent Bevins, The Jakarta Method

    It was a genuine tragedy the first time, but it's only going to be obnoxious if it happens again purely because some fucking dumbasses actively refused to learn about the history of socialist projects and acted like book recommendations were the equivalent of telling them to eat out their own mothers.

      • Tachanka [comrade/them]
        ·
        1 year ago

        Someone gifted me Anne Applebaum

        🤮

        I gifted them The Jakarta Method back.

        sankara-salute

      • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        Obligatory link to historian Mark Tauger thoroughly tearing apart one of her shitty holodomor books:

        https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169438