• UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    What if Thrawn but basically the opposite of Thrawn in poise, dignity, competence, intellect, patience, and even (to some extent) concern for his subordinates?

    • daisy
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      1 year ago

      Thrawn still voluntarily worked for a fascist empire. Maybe we shouldn't go down the "space-Rommel wasn't that bad" road.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I agree that Thrawn was made during the "what if space nazis sometimes cool actually" era of Star Wars EU fiction and that giving him poise, dignity, competence, intellect, patience, and even (to some extent) concern for his subordinates was part of that Rommelization of the otherwise-not-shown-that-way space nazis.

        That's how he was written, unfortunately. As-is, on paper, he's a nazi but deliberately designed to be a charismatic and less-directly-inept-than-most nazi.

      • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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        1 year ago

        In fairness, while Ulysses listed a series of positive personal qualities, none of them are in contradiction with (nor did he offer them as excuses for) being fascist scum.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Space nazis were necessary to be prepared for the space Taliban! very-intelligent

          • Goblinmancer [any]
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            1 year ago

            Its not legends anymore actually he was just trying to prepare the galaxy from uhhh unknown regions

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              The "Legends" scarlet letter was always bullshit to me, especially considering how shitty the Disney trilogy is.

              Abrams likes to bash other people's toys together until they break while giggling and making explosion sounds, and Rian Johnson just showed up to photobomb with his middle fingers up.

              • daisy
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                1 year ago

                I've sometimes wondered why Disney simply didn't film the Heir to the Empire trilogy. So what if fans already know the story? It's not like Lord of the Rings bombed in the box office because fans already knew that story. The only answer I can think of is that they didn't want to pay royalties to Timothy Zahn.

                • Retrosound [none/use name]
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                  1 year ago

                  Fans knew the damn story...and they were salivating to see how it was going to portrayed on the big screen!

                  I remember at the end of one movie, we get to see a single oliphaunt. One of my friends remarked that it was cool, and I was like, ooooooh nelly. You are going to like the next film. I ain't gonna say anything, I ain't gonna spoil it, but I will promise that you're going to like it a lot.

                • pumpchilienthusiast [comrade/them, any]
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                  1 year ago

                  supposed filoni will be directing a live action film called Heir to the Empire

                  also LOL @ the idea that Zahn didn't sign all rights away as part of his initial contract

                  • daisy
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                    1 year ago

                    also LOL @ the idea that Zahn didn't sign all rights away as part of his initial contract

                    As odd as it sounds nowadays, the whole Star Wars media empire (no pun intended) wasn't really a thing back in the early 1990s. Between Return of the Jedi and Heir to the Empire's release dates, there were a handful of books, some niche comics, some bad videogames, some kids' cartoons and toys. Lucasfilm didn't have nearly the kind of leverage that they later had, and Disney now has, over authors.

                    • pumpchilienthusiast [comrade/them, any]
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                      1 year ago

                      while its true the media empire was dormant when Zahn wrote the original Zahn trilogy, Lucas has always been a canny businessman above all else.

                      (also, you forgot the RPG, which created much of the stuff that later ended up being canon)

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  The only answer I can think of is that they didn't want to pay royalties to Timothy Zahn.

                  That is the most likely answer.

                  That, and to a smaller extent, I think it is also that Abrams refused to play nice with other people's toys; he's that brat in the neighborhood that mangles neighboring kids' stuff up to and including scribbling his name on stuff he steals to claim it was always his.

                • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  I think it's mostly just that they wanted to capture the "magic" of the OT by just doing a sleek remake of ANH.

          • Beaver [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The Star Wars EU really is a time capsule of American culture from the 90's through 00's

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              It really was.

              It had a "what if space fascism is kind of missed because the only alternative to it is neoliberalism and people kind of hate neoliberalism" period.

              It had a "what if space Taliban" craze, with a built in "what if the 'Diversity Alliance' (it was fucking called that!) was just a front for the space Taliban?" period.

              It had a "what if space vampires but disliking space vampires is at least as evil as space vampires" Twilight dragon chasing period.

    • Vladimir_Slipknotchenko [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      I need to hear Musk analyze art and create a battle plan about what he learned.

      He’d look at a fictional landscape painting and assume it represents an actual place.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Grand Admiral Moosk would start citing misunderstood quotes from an alien culture's holo-programming. In semi-canon, he'd be chanting Jefferson Starship lyrics while wearing a Sith Warrior LARP costume. cringe

        • Vladimir_Slipknotchenko [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          In semi-canon, he'd be chanting Jefferson Starship lyrics while wearing a Sith Warrior LARP costume.

          Based off that Halloween costume he keeps wearing, this could actually happen.

  • MarxGuns [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Oh, that's the guy that played Stregobor in The Witcher series, ain't it? I was trying to place him when I saw his face.