On one side, good riddance because porn is an extraordinarily exploitive industry and pornhub is at the forefront of that so fuck them and fuck the porn industry.
On the other side, fuck these states because sex work is real work and this will only further hurt and alienate an already extremely marginalized group of vulnerable people.
I don't know which side I feel stronger about. Hexbear struggle session; commence!
How do you say that as if it is so simple to scan the ID of every person who visits your website. First and foremost is that the US doesn't even have an actual citizen ID system. It has a patchwork of different government programs which are meant to be different things that it uses for ID. A driver's license is meant to say whether you can drive, it's not supposed to be an ID. Secondly, every state has a different driver's license design, which also doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't the US give people a national driver's license?
Thirdly how is a canadian company supposed to have the technology to scan american drivers license. In real life when you buy alcohol or cigarettes it kind of makes sense because the gas station attendant can like look the id and then the person and then shrug their shoulders. Do you want the website to also scan the face of every visitor to compare it to the ID? How can the website know that the ID is not counterfeit?
Porn websites do not have the technology to scan government IDs for every single visitor. Logistically it is not possible. What would be needed is a third party website operated by each state government that can scan each ID and then signal the verification back to the porn website through API. Each state knows this and they don't care because their intention is not actually requiring IDs to be scanned, it is to obstruct porn sites from existing. Also since each state is going to individually have to operate their own ID scanning service, that means each state will also be maintaining a gooner database.
In fact, Lousiana was the first state to require porn sites to ID every visitor. You will notice that Louisiana is not colored in red on the map of the OP. That's because Louisiana provided pornhub with the technology to scan IDs. The other states did not provide pornhub with the necessary ID scanning technology and thats why they got blocked. Louisiana is not blocked.
A government ID is a proprietary information of each state. If someone showed you an ID from Montana would you know what each number and feature on the ID meant? No, you wouldn't because IDs are a way for the government to ID a citizen and not everything known about an ID is available to the public. In order for a website to be able to scan an ID, the state needs to provide the website with the appropriate software. If you buy alcohol at the grocery store, the grocery store uses state-issued software to scan the ID.
Texas as example passed a law which said that people are now allowed to sue pornhub for not scanning IDs and yet Texas did not give pornhub the necessary software to scan IDs. The intention was purely to manufacture a scenario for people of Texas to sue pornhub.
In the instance of facebook, I'm not sure that facebook actually scans the id, they just store a picture of it. Do you want every porn site to store photos of every ID of every visitor. What if the website gets hacked?
I'm not sure what you're not understanding about "all 50 states have different proprietary ID designs". Proprietary as in, secret, as in unknown to the public, as in you can't just make the software yourself. As in, each of these states are intentionally hiding the information because they don't want pornhub to be able to actually ID visitors. The answer to your question is "no". No they can't just pay the government for that software.
As I said, they already worked out a system with Louisiana. Louisiana actually cooperated. The other states are not cooperating. The other states are right wing dominated states that are being obtuse on purpose.
they literally can though. US politicians are famously buyable
This is the most absurd, ahistoric line of magical thinking that I've read in weeks. Why does pornhub simply not just buy politicians at the politician store? A real head scratcher, I'm really thonking now.
The answer is so simple. In the states that pornhub has blocked, the religious lobby and christian nationalists have more political power and capital than the porn industry. Every one of the states highlighted in red has a long history of sexual repression.
In Utah, a 1973 law made it illegal to have premarital sex until 2019, punishable by a misdemeanor and $1000 fine.
In Texas, it is illegal to buy or sell any dildo or artificial vagina sex toy.
In North Carolina, it is illegal for a man/woman couple to live in the same house if they are not married (cohabitation).
These are only a few examples. The states colored in red on the map have long history of discrimination against LGBT people, laws limiting or banning abortion, laws making it harder to divorce an abusive spouse, etc.
Here's a map of states that have banned access to gender affirming care for transgender people. It's literally the same states that have been blocked by pornhub. This map shows that 25 states have banned gender affirming care. 10 of the 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub also have banned access to gender affirming care.
Here's a map of states which have banned or heavily restricted abortion access. The map shows 21 states have banned or highly restricted access to abortion. Oh it's the same map again. 9 of 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub have banned or extremely limited access to abortions.
Here's a map of states where gay marriage is prohibited by the state constitution, although protected by federal law (for now). Same map again? What are the odds? 11 of the 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub also ban gay marriage in their state constitution.
Yeah that's generally the argument against abolition of pretty much anything in a capitalist society. Abolition just means people turn to less safe / reliable / reputable sources for the thing being abolished. Without addressing the systemic issues behind why the thing being abolished is a problem, it just makes it work. This is true for sex work or drugs or basically anything, I think.
On one side, good riddance because porn is an extraordinarily exploitive industry and pornhub is at the forefront of that so fuck them and fuck the porn industry.
On the other side, fuck these states because sex work is real work and this will only further hurt and alienate an already extremely marginalized group of vulnerable people.
I don't know which side I feel stronger about. Hexbear struggle session; commence!
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How do you say that as if it is so simple to scan the ID of every person who visits your website. First and foremost is that the US doesn't even have an actual citizen ID system. It has a patchwork of different government programs which are meant to be different things that it uses for ID. A driver's license is meant to say whether you can drive, it's not supposed to be an ID. Secondly, every state has a different driver's license design, which also doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't the US give people a national driver's license?
Thirdly how is a canadian company supposed to have the technology to scan american drivers license. In real life when you buy alcohol or cigarettes it kind of makes sense because the gas station attendant can like look the id and then the person and then shrug their shoulders. Do you want the website to also scan the face of every visitor to compare it to the ID? How can the website know that the ID is not counterfeit?
Porn websites do not have the technology to scan government IDs for every single visitor. Logistically it is not possible. What would be needed is a third party website operated by each state government that can scan each ID and then signal the verification back to the porn website through API. Each state knows this and they don't care because their intention is not actually requiring IDs to be scanned, it is to obstruct porn sites from existing. Also since each state is going to individually have to operate their own ID scanning service, that means each state will also be maintaining a gooner database.
In fact, Lousiana was the first state to require porn sites to ID every visitor. You will notice that Louisiana is not colored in red on the map of the OP. That's because Louisiana provided pornhub with the technology to scan IDs. The other states did not provide pornhub with the necessary ID scanning technology and thats why they got blocked. Louisiana is not blocked.
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A government ID is a proprietary information of each state. If someone showed you an ID from Montana would you know what each number and feature on the ID meant? No, you wouldn't because IDs are a way for the government to ID a citizen and not everything known about an ID is available to the public. In order for a website to be able to scan an ID, the state needs to provide the website with the appropriate software. If you buy alcohol at the grocery store, the grocery store uses state-issued software to scan the ID.
Texas as example passed a law which said that people are now allowed to sue pornhub for not scanning IDs and yet Texas did not give pornhub the necessary software to scan IDs. The intention was purely to manufacture a scenario for people of Texas to sue pornhub.
In the instance of facebook, I'm not sure that facebook actually scans the id, they just store a picture of it. Do you want every porn site to store photos of every ID of every visitor. What if the website gets hacked?
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I'm not sure what you're not understanding about "all 50 states have different proprietary ID designs". Proprietary as in, secret, as in unknown to the public, as in you can't just make the software yourself. As in, each of these states are intentionally hiding the information because they don't want pornhub to be able to actually ID visitors. The answer to your question is "no". No they can't just pay the government for that software.
As I said, they already worked out a system with Louisiana. Louisiana actually cooperated. The other states are not cooperating. The other states are right wing dominated states that are being obtuse on purpose.
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This is the most absurd, ahistoric line of magical thinking that I've read in weeks. Why does pornhub simply not just buy politicians at the politician store? A real head scratcher, I'm really thonking now.
The answer is so simple. In the states that pornhub has blocked, the religious lobby and christian nationalists have more political power and capital than the porn industry. Every one of the states highlighted in red has a long history of sexual repression.
In Utah, a 1973 law made it illegal to have premarital sex until 2019, punishable by a misdemeanor and $1000 fine.
In Texas, it is illegal to buy or sell any dildo or artificial vagina sex toy.
In North Carolina, it is illegal for a man/woman couple to live in the same house if they are not married (cohabitation).
These are only a few examples. The states colored in red on the map have long history of discrimination against LGBT people, laws limiting or banning abortion, laws making it harder to divorce an abusive spouse, etc.
Here's a map of states that have banned access to gender affirming care for transgender people. It's literally the same states that have been blocked by pornhub. This map shows that 25 states have banned gender affirming care. 10 of the 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub also have banned access to gender affirming care.
https://www.hrc.org/resources/attacks-on-gender-affirming-care-by-state-map
Here's a map of states which have banned or heavily restricted abortion access. The map shows 21 states have banned or highly restricted access to abortion. Oh it's the same map again. 9 of 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub have banned or extremely limited access to abortions.
https://www.cnn.com/us/abortion-access-restrictions-bans-us-dg/index.html
Here's a map of states where gay marriage is prohibited by the state constitution, although protected by federal law (for now). Same map again? What are the odds? 11 of the 12 states which have been blocked by pornhub also ban gay marriage in their state constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state
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I feel like all this actually does is turn people to porn sites that don't care as much about following the law.
Which seems bad.
Yeah that's generally the argument against abolition of pretty much anything in a capitalist society. Abolition just means people turn to less safe / reliable / reputable sources for the thing being abolished. Without addressing the systemic issues behind why the thing being abolished is a problem, it just makes it work. This is true for sex work or drugs or basically anything, I think.
Feel strongly about both of them simultaneously. It's not as contradictory as you think!
Perfect answer. Some people on here can get really weird on this issue, when it is in fact that simple
Look I really just wanted to struggle session about something that isn't outdoor cats or olive oil okay
How about you have a struggle session with deez nuts
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