A slave (while currently suffering on the plantation) should not irrationally resent the plantation because under better management (that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon) the plantation would be a nice place.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to resent the Slaveowners?
You missed my point.
You're standing over people suffering right now from bad conditions now and condescending to them because a theoretical nonexistent in the present better version of those conditions would hurt them less. You even waved around the "rational" word.
A whip is just a tool, but if you were someone in the late 1800s and you met an emancipated former slave and told them that actually the whip was just a tool and being haunted by those whip scars and the thought of whips is irrational, you would not get a good reception.
Yes, because they both involve people like you condescending to others for being "irrational" toward tools that can and have hurt them under conditions that do make them suffer.
Your "no one is suffering" blanket statement that ignores everyone that already got fucked over by chatbot-related technology shows how "rational" your argument really is. You're just stanning for the technology and looking down on people getting hurt by it.
Why are you even here? This is supposed to be a leftist site that supports workers, not condescends to them to stan for bazinga tech that could be nicer under a system that isn't here.
You're either laughably privileged or a liar after making the claim that no one has been hurt by chatbot technology.
How am I even supposed to respond to that?
RETVRN to , where being "rational" and smug and condescending about how actually in a theoretically nicer society technology that hurts people wouldn't hurt people would be better received, and bask in karma and gold and praise for your rationality there.
I never claimed that and I am saying again that’s not the case. I realized I worded that wrongly and edited it…
AI in its current form is CRAZY exploitative and fucks over working class people. The masters that hold those tools should be butchered for their exploitative ways
Like, dude, there is nothing I can do but say I wrote the wrong thing.
My world view is not represented by a typo. You’re trying to harangue me for something I honestly don’t believe.
Because that's bullshit goalpost moving that you edited in after the fact. Does suffering only come from the fields?
Your worldview is trying so very hard to be "technically correct" and condescend to people that are supposed to be comrades because they weren't Rational(tm) enough for your liking after getting fucked over by tools used by the ruling class in the present system, right now.
Your "chill pill" and "my dude" and "I wonder why" smarmy talk certainly didn't make that clear, especially after your position was some "technically correct" bullshit that may thrive on but does the opposite of rallying people who feel rightfully hurt about being screwed by the present economic system. Telling them they are technically wrong about what they are angry about is just counterproductive pedantic bullshit.
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and the creators killed.
Why? The people who actually coded the things and got them started weren't billionaire assholes. They were workers, exploited, undervalued, underappreciated, and outright forgotten compared to the assholes that own the technology and command its use.
You seriously will go up to me and say “you always have to be right”
I said no such thing.
I said you were waving the word "rational" around to be condescending to people for not liking tools being used to fuck them over in the present system where such tools are fucking them over.
Fearing productive technological advancement is irrational because the fear is misdirected.
The source of the pain is the economic/social system. No one would fear automation in a socialist system - it would be a benefit to all.
This is like hating the Sun because your neighbor beats you when it rises every day. You really should be hating your neighbor.
A slave (while currently suffering on the plantation) should not irrationally resent the plantation because under better management (that isn't there and isn't coming anytime soon) the plantation would be a nice place.
Same deal with the whip, really.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to resent the Slaveowners?
Focus your hate on the people actually oppressing you rather than some symbolic thing entirely meant to shield that slave owner.
You missed my point.
You're standing over people suffering right now from bad conditions now and condescending to them because a theoretical nonexistent in the present better version of those conditions would hurt them less. You even waved around the "rational" word.
A whip is just a tool, but if you were someone in the late 1800s and you met an emancipated former slave and told them that actually the whip was just a tool and being haunted by those whip scars and the thought of whips is irrational, you would not get a good reception.
We’re talking about Chat GPT and AI
No one is being whipped here
No one is suffering in the fields
No one lost their jobs, no one was pushed further into precarity, poverty, or outright homelessness, your rational blanket statement claims?
You may have found your way here from out of
but apparently the 
hasn't found its way out of you.
You’re comparing AI to chattel slavery my dude.
Yes, because they both involve people like you condescending to others for being "irrational" toward tools that can and have hurt them under conditions that do make them suffer.
Your "no one is suffering" blanket statement that ignores everyone that already got fucked over by chatbot-related technology shows how "rational" your argument really is. You're just stanning for the technology and looking down on people getting hurt by it.
Why are you even here? This is supposed to be a leftist site that supports workers, not condescends to them to stan for bazinga tech that could be nicer under a system that isn't here.
That’s not what I support so you’re just wrong.
Stop being weird about this
Stop lying directly to my face.
You wear that emoji well, you techbro-apologist clown.
Take a chill pill and stop extrapolating an out of context statement to peoples entire world view
Like, you’re just wrong about what I believe I can’t really say anything other than that because it’s a frivolous shouting match
You're either laughably privileged or a liar after making the claim that no one has been hurt by chatbot technology.
RETVRN to
, where being "rational" and smug and condescending about how actually in a theoretically nicer society technology that hurts people wouldn't hurt people would be better received, and bask in karma and gold and praise for your rationality there.
I never claimed that and I am saying again that’s not the case. I realized I worded that wrongly and edited it…
AI in its current form is CRAZY exploitative and fucks over working class people. The masters that hold those tools should be butchered for their exploitative ways
Like, dude, there is nothing I can do but say I wrote the wrong thing.
My world view is not represented by a typo. You’re trying to harangue me for something I honestly don’t believe.
You left out “in the fields”
I wonder why
Because that's bullshit goalpost moving that you edited in after the fact. Does suffering only come from the fields?
Your worldview is trying so very hard to be "technically correct" and condescend to people that are supposed to be comrades because they weren't Rational(tm) enough for your liking after getting fucked over by tools used by the ruling class in the present system, right now.
AI is exploitative in its current form. Full stop. It should be destroyed and the creators killed.
After the Revolution, the tech would be nice to have.
This is what my position is.
That's nice.
Your "chill pill" and "my dude" and "I wonder why" smarmy talk certainly didn't make that clear, especially after your position was some "technically correct" bullshit that may thrive on
but does the opposite of rallying people who feel rightfully hurt about being screwed by the present economic system. Telling them they are technically wrong about what they are angry about is just counterproductive pedantic bullshit.
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Why? The people who actually coded the things and got them started weren't billionaire assholes. They were workers, exploited, undervalued, underappreciated, and outright forgotten compared to the assholes that own the technology and command its use.
I only used that tone with you. because you’ve been an ass.
Creators refers to the capitalist owners.
Mirror. Find one.
All that pretense of rationality and you credit the owning class with creating the technology?
I’m an ass too I just don’t pretend my shit doesn’t stink
You have throughout this comment chain. I already see you as something of a liar as it is.
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I said no such thing.
I said you were waving the word "rational" around to be condescending to people for not liking tools being used to fuck them over in the present system where such tools are fucking them over.
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And no. I don’t credit. Fuck this is exhausting