• UlyssesT [he/him]
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    I think the word "dialectics" gets used in online leftist discussion, more often than it should be, the way "logic" "reason" and "objectivity" are used by online chud discussion.

    That is to say, not really used for its intended purpose but because it sounds smart and can be waved like a totem of power.

    That said, at least dialectics do get discussed in their intended way more often than the leftist forum power word "materialism" does. That word tends to get sullied with "people that disagree with my takes are emotional kubrick-stare " gambits or just "I don't care about (issue affecting others negatively that might otherwise be producing treats) because I personally benefit from it even if it fucks over other people, I got mine, and having mine is materialistic." Oh yeah and also maybe in a theoretical communist world everyone else would also benefit from this treat I guess but until then fuck you I got mine." very-intelligent selfishness masquerading as deep and profound theory.

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      1 year ago

      Remember when we had a thread about how philosophy was dumb and useless because it involves thinking and subjectivity which is wrong because Das Kapital materialism?

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        I'm glad you brought it up first; I considered bringing it up but some of my "superfans" on here tend to get mad if I ever bring up old threads and assume in bad faith that I just make things up because I'm the resident joyless scold treat critic and disliking me in that way somehow implies that everything I say (without exhaustive forum history digging, at least, but maybe not even then) is wrong and/or a lie. avoheart

        Anyway, yeah, vulgar materialism is just edgy and often misanthropic reductionism with a bunch of Marxist flair stickers. I reject it.

        • VILenin [he/him]M
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          Hexbearian philosophy is truly incredible, you have to explain things that should be so incredibly self explanatory. You get STEMlord takes like:

          Thought experiments are stupid because they’re not realistic. DAE thinking isn’t real it’s all chemicals? Checkmate stupid idealist.

          Marx’s materialist analysis of the economy proves that consciousness doesn’t exist. (Thinking involves ideas, and you can’t hold ideas because they’re not physical, therefore consciousness is idealist garbage). As everyone knows Marx proved that ideas don’t exist. Real buzzword blender territory here.

          Thousands of years of nonstop inquiry simply can’t withstand my materialist genius explaining that one of the greatest mysteries of all time is actually really easy and I just solved it you morons.

          Literally treating materialism in an economic context as if it were completely interchangeable with physicalism.

          A lot of people here need to learn that “that word doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.”

          • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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            1 year ago

            I think the stemlord takes make a bit more sense when you remember that, as much as everyone likes to dunk on reddit-logo on here, this place did ultimately come from a subreddit. It might have been a somewhat less cringe subreddit, but becoming vaguely leftist doesn't automatically free you from Reddit Thought

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            THANK YOU.

            I've ran into each and every example you've given and it helps that it's not me saying it first. order-of-lenin

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Tbh I don't think I have ever used the word 'dialectics' unironically. To me it's mostly just a funny meme word, and actually talking about dialectics doesn't really require using the word. I think the abuse of 'materialism' is a much more real harm though, because it can lead to some awful takes like 'being trans is not materialist, but idealist and therefore bourgeois', generally ignoring that the superstructure is actually a real thing that exists and has to be grappled with, and probably a lot more i can't think of off the top of my head