"Shame" I can see (it also happened after I stopped enjoying the show) because of how the audience was meant to enjoy the brutal shaming of a female villain who is overhated due to misogyny. But can you explain how the Red Wedding has anything to do with the core discussion here? Its violent, and tragic, but its not SV or anything. One could argue its gratuitous I guess but I would argue it serves a narrative purpose within the story. This seems like the pinnacle of "dont write about bad things" to say the red wedding is bad. MAYBE the show went too far in portraying the violence but idk, that happened in what I think was the good part of the show and I think the episode was well handled. I would definitly push back against the idea of the Red Wedding being merely a gimmick.
Did the Game of Thrones show really need to add more sexual violence than the books actually had in it? Did so many characters have to be forcibly changed on the directors' whims into more misogynistic versions of themselves?
No, definitely not. There's some debate to be had about the former regarding "the show made explicit what was always there in the text" but regardless that wasn't their motive, their motive was to put shocking things on television for views. I won't deny that. Even though I like the first four seasons of the show overall, the flaws were there from the start and D&D are assholes.
This is why I took issue with your apparent claim that no one enjoyed the sexual violence presented as entertainment for entertainment purposes,
I was talking about fans of the books here, just to clear up the confusion. I find it difficult to believe that fans of the book are in it for the SV. Some fans of the show were probably pulled in by that.
Yeah, I read online when I was looking for examples myself about how
(cw sexualizaiton of minors)
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::: Young teen Dany describes her own breasts in a very male gazey way.
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and I agree with that criticism. Its not necessary and doesn't serve a narrative purpose. My objection was that there's not enough of it there for it to be a core engagement for the fans of the books. When I read discussions about it on /r/asoiaf, they're most people there seem to regret that its there and see it as a flaw in the text.
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"Shame" I can see (it also happened after I stopped enjoying the show) because of how the audience was meant to enjoy the brutal shaming of a female villain who is overhated due to misogyny. But can you explain how the Red Wedding has anything to do with the core discussion here? Its violent, and tragic, but its not SV or anything. One could argue its gratuitous I guess but I would argue it serves a narrative purpose within the story. This seems like the pinnacle of "dont write about bad things" to say the red wedding is bad. MAYBE the show went too far in portraying the violence but idk, that happened in what I think was the good part of the show and I think the episode was well handled. I would definitly push back against the idea of the Red Wedding being merely a gimmick.
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Ah ok, I can understand that. Ignore my other reply then if you want. I see what you mean now.
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No, definitely not. There's some debate to be had about the former regarding "the show made explicit what was always there in the text" but regardless that wasn't their motive, their motive was to put shocking things on television for views. I won't deny that. Even though I like the first four seasons of the show overall, the flaws were there from the start and D&D are assholes.
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I was talking about fans of the books here, just to clear up the confusion. I find it difficult to believe that fans of the book are in it for the SV. Some fans of the show were probably pulled in by that.
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Yeah, I read online when I was looking for examples myself about how
(cw sexualizaiton of minors)
spoiler
::: Young teen Dany describes her own breasts in a very male gazey way.
:::
and I agree with that criticism. Its not necessary and doesn't serve a narrative purpose. My objection was that there's not enough of it there for it to be a core engagement for the fans of the books. When I read discussions about it on /r/asoiaf, they're most people there seem to regret that its there and see it as a flaw in the text.
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