What is lemmy.world doing defederating before hexbear even federates?
lemmy.world/instances This is what it took to defederate from exploding-heads
after being federated with them since the start of lemmy.world
[https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a9a04ae-5cb8-4809-b4bf-b0ea22219f3a.png]
https://lemmy.world/post/747912?scrollToComments=true
[https://lemmy.world/post/747912?scrollToComments=true] What evidence do you
have of hexbear breaking the lemmy or citizen code of conduct? Has the criteria
for defederation changed? Hexbear is one of the largest and most active lemmy
instances:
[https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6c8f546d-daeb-4a75-8fc9-81796860f626.png]
Compared to lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml]:
[https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/50d060a4-882a-406e-b24c-00329a547d83.png]
Compared to lemm.ee [http://lemm.ee]:
[https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7d26dc82-f531-4317-88a8-77ecab95241c.png] and
lemmy.world:
[https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/12cd0924-17c4-4fd4-95fa-f6243b4d39f3.png]
Why do you think that? Or are you just being playful? I'm the admin there and I'm reading through Hexbear and found this comment, so I made an account to ask because I'm curious. The focus of the instance is science and nature, but it is more about appreciating the world more than it is about debating things. We try to stay away from polarizing topics within the instance, and almost every polarizing post that I have seen has been posted to the science communication community (/c/scicomm), and they are usually papers that try to define "misinformation". I don't love that content but an active user likes it, so I tolerate it, and for the most part discussions are civil.
I think you would need to make a considerable effort to be denounced as unscientific there. Since most of the content is not really about debates, but rather users talking about their houseplants, sharing cool astronomy papers, and asking for mushrooms to be identified, I think the communities can be enjoyed without adhering to the 'dialectical method'.
Aaaahhh no no worries, I talk a lot 😆 Sorry for making you read that then!
I'm just out of the loop. I haven't interacted much with Hexbear and I'm a bit confused about the response from Lemmy World, so I'm trying to get some understanding. I look forward to federating!
I'm honestly for promoting and helping any instance outgrow lemmyworld now if they will take a stance against this dorkness. Ruud's position when I first contacted him seemed really good but he has clearly been pressured into this shit by Antik, who is clearly an ideologue libshit.
On a more serious note, this cements lemmy.world inevitable slide towards fascism. There's very little reason why anyone would use a Lemmy instance instead of just sticking with Reddit or migrating away from Reddit clones altogether. Much like the Windows vs Linux debate, Reddit is technologically inferior but has the huge advantage of being what everyone uses.
The only reason to stick it out on a Lemmy instance instead of just returning to Reddit is because:
They are ideologically socialist.
They are unhinged fascists. (Cryptofash are more than welcome on Reddit)
They are trans or a member of some other marginalized community who want a refuge away from dipshit bigots.
They are pedos.
They want to resurrect /r/shoplifting and not be constrained by Reddit's ToS.
They want to openly discuss the purchase of drugs.
They want to openly discuss piracy.
They want to discuss miscellaneous illegal shit.
These are the people who legitimately have no place on Reddit and need to find somewhere else if they want to use a Reddit clone. 1 and 2 are self-explanatory. 3 and 5 are fellow travelers with 1. 4 are fellow travelers with 2. 5, 6, and 7 can be lumped into 8. So the simplified version becomes:
They are socialist or a fellow traveler (marginalized communities, shoplifting)
They are fascist or a fellow traveler (pedos)
They want to openly discuss doing illegal shit (drugs, piracy, shoplifting, adventurism) that goes against the ToS.
Attracting these 3 types of people are the primary means for a Lemmy instance to grow. However, most large Lemmy instances are filled with (ex)-Redditors with snitch energy. In other words, loser squares who are nowhere cool enough to attract 3. And it goes without saying that you can't attract both 1 and 2 no matter how much enlightened centrists want to try.
In the end, your average Lemmy instance has to either:
Ideologically commit to either socialism or fascism in order to attract more people who don't or can't use Reddit.
Stagnate and wither to nothing.
By preemptively defederating from the largest socialist instance while at the same time digging their feet to reluctantly defederate from a fascist instance, lemmy.world has chosen to commit to fascism in order to grow its numbers. Beehaw has chosen to cling to their liberalism and stagnate. I also wonder whether lemmy.world orientating itself towards fascism has to do with beehaw being ideologically committed towards liberalism. After all, instances compete with each other for members. Two liberal instances compete for the same pool of users, but if one of those liberal instances is far more lax about fascism, then they're no longer competing from the same pool.
Oh, I got confused lol. We are already a lot more open to passing around piracy websites than a generic subreddit. Calls for adventurism will just get you called a fed. As for having our version of /r/shoplifting, I've seen threads about shoplifting before. It seems like the admins here condone talk of illegal shit outside of adventurism but don't want it to be the focus of the website. I mean, I think it would be pretty cool if we had a /c/shoplifting that attracts people.
We openly discuss doing illegal shit all the time. It's just not a major focus. Admittedly I have not read the Hexbear TOS and did not know we had a TOS until last week.
Funny considering communism will be the closest thing to solarpunk. Capitalism will just cut all tree's even if it means a few extra cents in the pocket of a wealthy elite.
beehaw.org(lol at the .org)lemmy.worldWho's next?
mander.xyz will denounce Hexbear as unscientific and accuse us of abandoning the dialectical method.
Why do you think that? Or are you just being playful? I'm the admin there and I'm reading through Hexbear and found this comment, so I made an account to ask because I'm curious. The focus of the instance is science and nature, but it is more about appreciating the world more than it is about debating things. We try to stay away from polarizing topics within the instance, and almost every polarizing post that I have seen has been posted to the science communication community (/c/scicomm), and they are usually papers that try to define "misinformation". I don't love that content but an active user likes it, so I tolerate it, and for the most part discussions are civil.
I think you would need to make a considerable effort to be denounced as unscientific there. Since most of the content is not really about debates, but rather users talking about their houseplants, sharing cool astronomy papers, and asking for mushrooms to be identified, I think the communities can be enjoyed without adhering to the 'dialectical method'.
Yeah I'm just being playful. Sorry for wasting your time writing all that up
Aaaahhh no no worries, I talk a lot 😆 Sorry for making you read that then!
I'm just out of the loop. I haven't interacted much with Hexbear and I'm a bit confused about the response from Lemmy World, so I'm trying to get some understanding. I look forward to federating!
It's all good. Hope federation goes smoothly between our two instances!
I'm honestly for promoting and helping any instance outgrow lemmyworld now if they will take a stance against this dorkness. Ruud's position when I first contacted him seemed really good but he has clearly been pressured into this shit by Antik, who is clearly an ideologue libshit.
On a more serious note, this cements lemmy.world inevitable slide towards fascism. There's very little reason why anyone would use a Lemmy instance instead of just sticking with Reddit or migrating away from Reddit clones altogether. Much like the Windows vs Linux debate, Reddit is technologically inferior but has the huge advantage of being what everyone uses.
The only reason to stick it out on a Lemmy instance instead of just returning to Reddit is because:
They are ideologically socialist.
They are unhinged fascists. (Cryptofash are more than welcome on Reddit)
They are trans or a member of some other marginalized community who want a refuge away from dipshit bigots.
They are pedos.
They want to resurrect /r/shoplifting and not be constrained by Reddit's ToS.
They want to openly discuss the purchase of drugs.
They want to openly discuss piracy.
They want to discuss miscellaneous illegal shit.
These are the people who legitimately have no place on Reddit and need to find somewhere else if they want to use a Reddit clone. 1 and 2 are self-explanatory. 3 and 5 are fellow travelers with 1. 4 are fellow travelers with 2. 5, 6, and 7 can be lumped into 8. So the simplified version becomes:
They are socialist or a fellow traveler (marginalized communities, shoplifting)
They are fascist or a fellow traveler (pedos)
They want to openly discuss doing illegal shit (drugs, piracy, shoplifting, adventurism) that goes against the ToS.
Attracting these 3 types of people are the primary means for a Lemmy instance to grow. However, most large Lemmy instances are filled with (ex)-Redditors with snitch energy. In other words, loser squares who are nowhere cool enough to attract 3. And it goes without saying that you can't attract both 1 and 2 no matter how much enlightened centrists want to try.
In the end, your average Lemmy instance has to either:
Ideologically commit to either socialism or fascism in order to attract more people who don't or can't use Reddit.
Stagnate and wither to nothing.
By preemptively defederating from the largest socialist instance while at the same time digging their feet to reluctantly defederate from a fascist instance, lemmy.world has chosen to commit to fascism in order to grow its numbers. Beehaw has chosen to cling to their liberalism and stagnate. I also wonder whether lemmy.world orientating itself towards fascism has to do with beehaw being ideologically committed towards liberalism. After all, instances compete with each other for members. Two liberal instances compete for the same pool of users, but if one of those liberal instances is far more lax about fascism, then they're no longer competing from the same pool.
Should hexbear allow 3 to increace growth?
We are the only Lemmy instance with pronoun flairs.
By 3 I mean "They want to openly discuss doing illegal shit"
Oh, I got confused lol. We are already a lot more open to passing around piracy websites than a generic subreddit. Calls for adventurism will just get you called a fed. As for having our version of /r/shoplifting, I've seen threads about shoplifting before. It seems like the admins here condone talk of illegal shit outside of adventurism but don't want it to be the focus of the website. I mean, I think it would be pretty cool if we had a /c/shoplifting that attracts people.
We openly discuss doing illegal shit all the time. It's just not a major focus. Admittedly I have not read the Hexbear TOS and did not know we had a TOS until last week.
The solar punk instance preemptively blocked us
Funny considering communism will be the closest thing to solarpunk. Capitalism will just cut all tree's even if it means a few extra cents in the pocket of a wealthy elite.
they are afraid of tankies
Lori Petty wouldn't hurt them she's nice.
Wat? What politics do they have if not at least socialist or anarchist?
Anarcho liberalism
How about sh.itjust.works
next to be libshit? they already block lemmygrad so they're already there lol