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    • iridaniotter [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      mander.xyz will denounce Hexbear as unscientific and accuse us of abandoning the dialectical method.

      • Salamander [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Why do you think that? Or are you just being playful? I'm the admin there and I'm reading through Hexbear and found this comment, so I made an account to ask because I'm curious. The focus of the instance is science and nature, but it is more about appreciating the world more than it is about debating things. We try to stay away from polarizing topics within the instance, and almost every polarizing post that I have seen has been posted to the science communication community (/c/scicomm), and they are usually papers that try to define "misinformation". I don't love that content but an active user likes it, so I tolerate it, and for the most part discussions are civil.

        I think you would need to make a considerable effort to be denounced as unscientific there. Since most of the content is not really about debates, but rather users talking about their houseplants, sharing cool astronomy papers, and asking for mushrooms to be identified, I think the communities can be enjoyed without adhering to the 'dialectical method'.

        • iridaniotter [she/her]
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          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Yeah I'm just being playful. Sorry for wasting your time writing all that up

          • Salamander [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Aaaahhh no no worries, I talk a lot 😆 Sorry for making you read that then!

            I'm just out of the loop. I haven't interacted much with Hexbear and I'm a bit confused about the response from Lemmy World, so I'm trying to get some understanding. I look forward to federating! maduro-coffee

            • iridaniotter [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              It's all good. Hope federation goes smoothly between our two instances! meow-hug

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      I'm honestly for promoting and helping any instance outgrow lemmyworld now if they will take a stance against this dorkness. Ruud's position when I first contacted him seemed really good but he has clearly been pressured into this shit by Antik, who is clearly an ideologue libshit.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        On a more serious note, this cements lemmy.world inevitable slide towards fascism. There's very little reason why anyone would use a Lemmy instance instead of just sticking with Reddit or migrating away from Reddit clones altogether. Much like the Windows vs Linux debate, Reddit is technologically inferior but has the huge advantage of being what everyone uses.

        The only reason to stick it out on a Lemmy instance instead of just returning to Reddit is because:

        1. They are ideologically socialist.

        2. They are unhinged fascists. (Cryptofash are more than welcome on Reddit)

        3. They are trans or a member of some other marginalized community who want a refuge away from dipshit bigots.

        4. They are pedos.

        5. They want to resurrect /r/shoplifting and not be constrained by Reddit's ToS.

        6. They want to openly discuss the purchase of drugs.

        7. They want to openly discuss piracy.

        8. They want to discuss miscellaneous illegal shit.

        These are the people who legitimately have no place on Reddit and need to find somewhere else if they want to use a Reddit clone. 1 and 2 are self-explanatory. 3 and 5 are fellow travelers with 1. 4 are fellow travelers with 2. 5, 6, and 7 can be lumped into 8. So the simplified version becomes:

        1. They are socialist or a fellow traveler (marginalized communities, shoplifting)

        2. They are fascist or a fellow traveler (pedos)

        3. They want to openly discuss doing illegal shit (drugs, piracy, shoplifting, adventurism) that goes against the ToS.

        Attracting these 3 types of people are the primary means for a Lemmy instance to grow. However, most large Lemmy instances are filled with (ex)-Redditors with snitch energy. In other words, loser squares who are nowhere cool enough to attract 3. And it goes without saying that you can't attract both 1 and 2 no matter how much enlightened centrists want to try.

        In the end, your average Lemmy instance has to either:

        1. Ideologically commit to either socialism or fascism in order to attract more people who don't or can't use Reddit.

        2. Stagnate and wither to nothing.

        By preemptively defederating from the largest socialist instance while at the same time digging their feet to reluctantly defederate from a fascist instance, lemmy.world has chosen to commit to fascism in order to grow its numbers. Beehaw has chosen to cling to their liberalism and stagnate. I also wonder whether lemmy.world orientating itself towards fascism has to do with beehaw being ideologically committed towards liberalism. After all, instances compete with each other for members. Two liberal instances compete for the same pool of users, but if one of those liberal instances is far more lax about fascism, then they're no longer competing from the same pool.

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                1 year ago

                We openly discuss doing illegal shit all the time. It's just not a major focus. Admittedly I have not read the Hexbear TOS and did not know we had a TOS until last week.

              • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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                1 year ago

                Oh, I got confused lol. We are already a lot more open to passing around piracy websites than a generic subreddit. Calls for adventurism will just get you called a fed. As for having our version of /r/shoplifting, I've seen threads about shoplifting before. It seems like the admins here condone talk of illegal shit outside of adventurism but don't want it to be the focus of the website. I mean, I think it would be pretty cool if we had a /c/shoplifting that attracts people.

      • ImOnADiet
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        1 year ago

        next to be libshit? they already block lemmygrad so they're already there lol