Do ya"ll actually have anything to go on or is this still just the "actually atheism is bad because some reactionaries a decade ago were shitheads" thing that's been going around here?
Because when half the country is in the grip of a theocratic, genocidal Christian Fascist regime this "dae le redditor le atehism bad" shit is getting old. The exact thing atheists in the 00s were afraid of happened. Mocking atheists for being afraid of Christian fascist theocracy when we're dealing with actual christian fascist theocracy is tired and neither clever nor helpful.
And yes, actually using the fucking pasta collander to highlight how religious beliefs are given discriminatory legal and social privileges in society is funny. It highlights the absurdity of the practice and harms no one. And it's a meme from like 15 years ago.
Hot take: when facing down a Christian fascist theocracy doing the "DAE le all religions bad" thing and predominantly attacking Muslims and Jews is just carrying water for that Christian fascist theocracy. That was a huge problem with the New Atheist community, especially on Reddit, and it's still a problem with the remaining Reddit Atheist types who haven't just been entirely coopted back into the Christofascist movement. Yes, criticizing all atheists because Redditors are cringe is bad. By that same metric, criticizing all religious people because Christians are cringe is also bad. Jews and Muslims are under attack in the west in a big way. Atheists are similarly under attack in many predominantly Christian global south countries due to the long shadow of imperialism.
There isn't anything to be gained from attacking these people who need our support, we need to focus on the big problem instead of attacking the people who are being victimised by the big problem.
Having said that, yea the colander hat trend was really funny. Also a big fan of The Satanic Temple.
I don't really think this post is a criticism of atheists though, more just a criticism of how Reddit dudes will find a couple of things they find relatable about a woman and then entirely objectify her based on those couple of things.
That's the Church of Satan. The Satanic Temple are activists that troll Christians and file lawsuits to use theocratic laws to undermine said theocratic laws. It's still doing the lib "aha, I have exposed you as a hypocrite therefore I win!" shit with the caveat that there are enough libs in the legal system that didn't get the memo that they could just be hypocrites and selectively enforce the law cynically, so it actually works sometimes.
i wouldn't read too much into this, we just hate redditors, and this falls into the pattern of typically male redditors wanting women they imagine are nerdy and compatible with them interpersonally to objectify so that they can project a parasocial relationship onto them.
I mean I think the issue is most atheists aren't communists and indeed, skew more towards le enlightened and euphoric techbro. Not to say they aren't as immediate a threat as the christian fascists, but they're just as worthy of bullying because they're not moving towards socialism in most cases.
It is also, I think, important to remember that a lot of the internet atheism attitude is used as chaff for imperialism abroad. This was especially true of early 00s atheism (see the here). But I think there's still plenty of this residue, and it's not like I see internet atheists clambering out of the woodwork to defend our trans comrades
Do ya"ll actually have anything to go on or is this still just the "actually atheism is bad because some reactionaries a decade ago were shitheads" thing that's been going around here?
Because when half the country is in the grip of a theocratic, genocidal Christian Fascist regime this "dae le redditor le atehism bad" shit is getting old. The exact thing atheists in the 00s were afraid of happened. Mocking atheists for being afraid of Christian fascist theocracy when we're dealing with actual christian fascist theocracy is tired and neither clever nor helpful.
And yes, actually using the fucking pasta collander to highlight how religious beliefs are given discriminatory legal and social privileges in society is funny. It highlights the absurdity of the practice and harms no one. And it's a meme from like 15 years ago.
Hot take: when facing down a Christian fascist theocracy doing the "DAE le all religions bad" thing and predominantly attacking Muslims and Jews is just carrying water for that Christian fascist theocracy. That was a huge problem with the New Atheist community, especially on Reddit, and it's still a problem with the remaining Reddit Atheist types who haven't just been entirely coopted back into the Christofascist movement. Yes, criticizing all atheists because Redditors are cringe is bad. By that same metric, criticizing all religious people because Christians are cringe is also bad. Jews and Muslims are under attack in the west in a big way. Atheists are similarly under attack in many predominantly Christian global south countries due to the long shadow of imperialism.
There isn't anything to be gained from attacking these people who need our support, we need to focus on the big problem instead of attacking the people who are being victimised by the big problem.
Having said that, yea the colander hat trend was really funny. Also a big fan of The Satanic Temple.
I don't really think this post is a criticism of atheists though, more just a criticism of how Reddit dudes will find a couple of things they find relatable about a woman and then entirely objectify her based on those couple of things.
"Redditors aren't all bad, by the way I am a libertarian individualist (neoliberal) who loves Ayn Rand"
That's the Church of Satan. The Satanic Temple are activists that troll Christians and file lawsuits to use theocratic laws to undermine said theocratic laws. It's still doing the lib "aha, I have exposed you as a hypocrite therefore I win!" shit with the caveat that there are enough libs in the legal system that didn't get the memo that they could just be hypocrites and selectively enforce the law cynically, so it actually works sometimes.
Not commenting on the effectiveness of their strategy, I just think they're really funny.
i wouldn't read too much into this, we just hate redditors, and this falls into the pattern of typically male redditors wanting women they imagine are nerdy and compatible with them interpersonally to objectify so that they can project a parasocial relationship onto them.
I mean I think the issue is most atheists aren't communists and indeed, skew more towards le enlightened and euphoric techbro. Not to say they aren't as immediate a threat as the christian fascists, but they're just as worthy of bullying because they're not moving towards socialism in most cases.
It is also, I think, important to remember that a lot of the internet atheism attitude is used as chaff for imperialism abroad. This was especially true of early 00s atheism (see the
here). But I think there's still plenty of this residue, and it's not like I see internet atheists clambering out of the woodwork to defend our trans comrades 