1. Why does China, a socialist country, have mega corporations like Tencent and Bytedance? Are they collectively owned by syndicates or unions? If this is a transitionary phase to socialism, can we trust China to actually enforce Socialism after this stage ends?
  2. Child Labor in factories: Myth or Fact? I have a Chinese friend who said he personally never worked as a child in China, but obviously if this was true not every single kid would have worked in a factory.
  3. Surveillance and Social Credit: are these myths, or are they true? Why would China go so far to implement these systems, surely it'd be far too costly and burdensome for whatever they'd gain from that.
  4. Uighur Muslim genocide: Is this true?

Thank you to anyone who answers, and if you do please cite sources so I can look further into China. I really appreciate it.

edit: I was going to ask about Tiananmen Square, but as it turns out that literally just didn't happen. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

https://leohezhao.medium.com/notes-for-30th-anniversary-of-tiananmen-incident-f098ef6efbc2

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

  • commiespammer [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    1. If you had to start from a feudalistic backwater country, got sanctioned hard for 30 years and fought in 2 major wars, could you suddenly press the communism button and develop full centralized communism? Exactly. Same goes to Cuba, DPRK, etc.

    2. Myth. If you really wanted to complain about child labor, look no further than the good old US of A.

    3. myths. First, every government does mass surveillance of some kind., Second of all, social credit is literally too dumb to exist. However, FICO scores are very real.

    4. all "evidence" for xinjiang comes from Adrian Zenz, a christo-fascist crackpot who hates Jews. And also testimonies from like 2 women. Where are the refugees?

    Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit hostile. I've just dealt with so many libs on lemmygrad, it's kinda hard to go nice.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      all "evidence" for xinjiang comes from Adrian Zenz, a christo-fascist crackpot who hates Jews. And also testimonies from like 2 women.

      This is not the case, however the situation is also more complex and China itself did implement plenty of suggestions of for example the OHCHR Assessment. However China did hand in an extensive own report, too. I write this comment in answer to the post creator.

      The sources of Zenz ought to be ignored, the complexity of anti terror measures, combined with other measures mean that a one size fits all Western response will fail and mostly increase Sinophobia.

      China is regularly participating in establishing frameworks for human rights and introducing policy to better human rights: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/HRBodies/HRC/RegularSessions/Session40/Documents/A_HRC_40_6_Add.1_China_E.docx

      China did answer the Xinjiang report: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/ANNEX_A.pdf

      Plenty of allegations are answered well and cleared up. However the report is not able to clear up all propaganda.

      Xinjiang report summary: https://ishr.ch/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/OHCHR-Xinjiang-Report_Explainer_EN.pdf

      Xinjiang report: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

      A major framing point is the question of what is acceptable in terms of education and anti terror action. The US did deport people, imprison people without due process, imprisoned people, torture people etc. Of course we on this site are critical of those actions, plenty in the US defended them. The ongoing cultural genocide and more in the US is barely a topic for most. So any discussion of China - especially on public boards - will mainly be focused on Sinophobic comments. I for one am supportive of state action which allows young women who are married to have room and board in education facilities in which they get education (reduces segregation) and enable them to more likely have own incomes. This is one of the measures that happens in Xinjiang, yet this is critiqued since what happens is often bundled up.

      If you wanna know stuff it is good to get the Chinese perspectives (which means of a broad spectrum of people living in the region as well as the reports of the government), which is hard to get through mainstream media sites. Then if you compare the actions in Xinjiang compare them with other state actions, too.

      On the EU border tens of thousands die every year and plenty are imprisoned for years on end in camps, often in open breach of international law, norms and EU laws, too, while people working against it are partially criminalized.