Like Soviet Union, PRC, DPRK, Viet Nam? From my understanding these weren't/aren't really ruled by the people but by a wealth(ier) elite, they use systems of money, have (limited) private property, etc.

Which, imo, is capitalism or (its friendlier variant) socialism (which has some communist features like universal healthcare for example), but is not communism.

Isn't the goal of communism supposed to be anarchist communism (no state [government], also no rich/poor divide)? Where nothing is owned, either by the state or by individuals?

I didn't think statism is compatible with communism.

  • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    By the way, Anarchists want states too - you special folks just like to call it by different names. I don’t care how libertarian and horizontal your democratic militia fighting force is, it’s still an appendage of whatever democratic system your running your commune under. Democracy is incompatible with Anarchism, Democracy requires a state. Those labor camps that the CNT-FAI used to imprison fascists were totally stateless and nonhierarchical, right? The political repression of the Bolsheviks under the bandit king Makhno was totally stateless and democratic, right? No. Wrong. The only difference is, in our state the hierarchy is official and accountable, yours is not.

    In conclusion, reject your Anarchistic idealism, read State and Rev by Lenin, embrace Marxism. Ask me questions if you want I’ll probably answer them. Bye.

    What a stupid pile of shit lol

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      hose labor camps that the CNT-FAI used to imprison fascists were totally stateless and nonhierarchical, right?

      Those were filled with the fascists that fucking ATTACKED the CNT-FAI (who btw later went on to be a part of the actual state - which is why they're criticised by anarchists too)

      The political repression of the Bolsheviks under the bandit king Makhno was totally stateless and democratic, right?

      The political repression of the Bolsheviks that came as an answer to the political repression of the makhnovists? Yes they were democratic?

      What the fuck is a state according to you?

      Seriously the first half of the post is good but of course you have to turn this all into sectarian predatory agenda pushing, seriously, fuck off.

      • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        When the USSR was illegally dissolved in 1991, the nations that were supported by the USSR had 2 choices: market reforms, or death by sanction. To not open up and allow some level or private property would have resulted in the deaths of COUNTLESS in Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos. This was the cause of a famine in the 90’s in the DPRK.

        And all that coming after this, lol.

        When anarchists take measures for their own survival = bad When communists take measures for their own survival = good

          • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Anarchists imprisoning people who attacked them in the strongest sense of the word and communists imprisoning people who wrote mean pamphlets about Lenin is not the same measures at all.

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          • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            OP was just saying it’s an example that it wasn’t stateless.

            How it wasn't stateless? General assemblies decided who to send there and for how much time,