I'm all in for left unity and the such. But when i'm seeing ML's stomp on anarchists, i dont know what to think of them. Obviously, there are good ones, but i cant estimate the ratio of "good" vs. "bad" ones. Also, maybe they are just overrepresented in the online space? I'm literally surrounded by liberals and right wingnuts, so i couldnt really collect experience for the real life ones. Maybe someone explain me something? I dunno.
Tell them to shut the fuck up and cope. That's what I'm about to start doing for both sides. I do not give a single fuck about which way a person swings in terms of anarchist vs ML. No one on the right has any issue siding with literal nazis to accomplish their goals but we're too worried about "wahhhh but tankie authoritarianism bad" and "wahhhh anarkiddie big dumb counterproductive". We can purge each other after the collapse of capitalism if it comes to that. If anyone genuinely gives a fuck enough to argue about this shit when we aren't even close to any of our ideologies actually being implemented, they're probably a liberal. Let them cry in their corner and give them no attention. The time spent giving them the slightest bit of attention could be better spent on radicalizing liberals, convincing people to arm themselves, getting involved within your own communities with volunteer work, or just shitposting.
We can purge each other after the collapse of capitalism if it comes to that.
I'll be grilling
That's perfectly acceptable too. Someone has to do the grilling. 😎
thank you so much for saying this. its just larping.
if you actually care that much about sectarian nonsense. fight capital or gtfo
You don't have to thank me, I'm just not one to hold my tongue if I see people being obtuse, haha. I don't think it's larping if people are being toxic to each other based on their tendencies. It doesn't help that a lot of leftists over-subscribe to their tendency and turn it into a personality trait causing attacks on tendencies to be perceived as personal attacks, in my opinion.
Personally, I try to keep an open mind to whatever leftist ideology or mixture of ideologies will best meet societal need following the inevitable collapse of capitalism. At this point, a drastically rising number of people are food insecure, dying from lack of healthcare, and homeless so it's hard to imagine that any type of leftist society wouldn't be better than what we currently have.
That's my hot take. Take it or leave it. Everyone could learn to cope regardless, lmfao.
we are on the same page. Im left neutral, i think ML and anarchists are both valid, but the people who attempt to shit on other leftists or paint other leftists as evil are annoying. Left unity or bust :)
hello yes, i would like one hot take please, with a side of guac, and two copes. thank you
Id love to. But currently due to issues in my life shitpiling right now i dont really have time. I thought joining the IWW was a good first step, but because of corona meetings arent really possible in germany rn, and then because of a tragic event i couldnt visit one they managed to organize.
I guess its just drama that gets overexpressed online, making it seem more of an issue than it is.
Don’t trust ML’s. Don’t trust anarchists.
I think looking at the r/GenZAnarchist situation (assuming that's what "the events of today/yesterday" was referring to) and coming away with a centrist take like "both sides are bad!" is pretty naive, bordering on obvious bias. MLs are 100% responsible for brigading that space, and no anarchist is surprised because it's a very classic ML action to shut down and forcefully "re-educate" those who disagree with them. Anarchists have plenty of issues, but to pretend that this situation reflects negatively on anarchists is absolutely absurd.
This. The wreckers are ML's, other purges in online communities have been done by ML's, this isn't anarchists acting up. It's a very specific brand of terminally online tankie that keeps doing this shit and then celebrating it. There's no orthodox Marxists that've impotently threatened to kill me, I haven't seen a non-anarchist Syndicalist fail to doxx me. And there aren't really all that many stories of internet anarchists fucking with ML's in their own spaces, though anarchist spaces do end up cracking down on ML's hanging out in their spaces as a way to prevent exactly this shit from happening.
Ågain, n o t a l l M L ' s but there absolutely is a type that keeps shitting this place up.
I think it’s more about the spectacle of internet drama and always-online people skewing toward toxicity.
This. If Reddit was less of a circlejerk and people understood that a sub where you post uhh Kropotkin? memes (I don't know non-toxic anarchist memes, sorry) doesn't make you a better comrade, this wouldn't have happened. Both subs are toxic against each other and so irrelevant. I recommend to those concerned anarchists take this the same way they would take Reddit banning the sub: it sucks but it's not a big deal, you can regrow your online communities. People have been powertripping on the internet since it started.
Seriously. It was just a meme subreddit. Don't let internet drama get in the way of real life organization. Or your own education.
youre right. seeing drama always makes me quite insecure, i thought id ask someone outside of my head.
You have to decide what you focus your attention on. MLs don't agree with you and MLs don't think leftist unity is possible or useful. BUT, this is about the Communist Project™. Right now, there are situations where you can trust MLs and that involves helping your community. Mutual aid is one of the things that I respect about anarchists, that shit's good and useful. You can log off, go read some anarchist theory (literally shaking right now because I have to be genuine, anarchists don't re-NO) and then come back when everything has settled down. Online drama goes in cycles but communities stay the same.
It's not been about yesterday specifically, but a general gut feeling. But obviously you are right about trusting the individual. Anarchists can be idiots too. :)
Only liberals use Subscribed. I have it on All to be educated on topics that could better help me to understand the positions and struggles of my comrades, from all backgrounds.
I can respect that. Just stay subbed to Mutual Aid, haha. Even if you don't donate, you can still spread the word about things to potentially help someone else. ❤️🥰
Sorry for coming on so harsh. Love you, comrade. O7
But I already follow mutual aid blogs on Tumblr. I guess I could follow that one, I just hadn't checked the community out that much.
It's fine tho. It wasn't harsh at all and I'm not offended. o7 :heart-sickle:
No such thing as following too many mutual aid communities, comrade. o7
Settle your quarrels, come together, understand the reality of our situation, understand that fascism is already here, that people are already dying who could be saved, that generations more will die or live poor butchered half-lives if you fail to act. Do what must be done, discover your humanity and your love in revolution. Pass on the torch. Join us, give up your life for the people.
- George Jackson, "Blood in my Eye" author, was shot and killed inside San Quentin
To be perfectly honest, I treat MLs the same as I treat liberals and "an"-caps. They're certainly not on my team, but if they want to work together on specific issues, I won't complain.
That's literally the opposite of what I said. I said that "if they want to work together on specific issues, I won’t complain".
Edit: You know, it's okay to just admit you misread my post. You don't have to delete your comment. Everyone makes mistakes.