• asa_red_heathen [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    You're saying that analyzing the behavior of different breeds is equivalent to phrenology, which implies that human "races" are as equivalently different from each other as dog breeds are, which is of course nonsense and racist.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
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      2 months ago

      No I am arguing the so-called "science" behind it is racist. Do you have any counter arguments backed up with actual data because I presented several sources in my post.

      • asa_red_heathen [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Yeah this

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        are absolutely more different from each other than a black person and a white person are from each other. Dogs have been selectively bred for ten thousand years, and they've been very specifically bred for different roles, literally changing their physical shape. Human beings have not, we're all pretty much the same. Unless you're going to argue that domestication and animal husbandry are fake then I do not see how this is equivalent to differences in melanin production.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]
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          2 months ago

          Show me the actual scientific data regarding aggression to humans.

          • asa_red_heathen [he/him]
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            2 months ago

            My specific argument is with you comparing differences in dog breeds to phrenology. I'm not saying that dogs of a specific breed are more aggressive; Im saying that comparing dog breeds on a morphological level is not the same as comparing human races on a morphological level. Phrenology is a pseudoscience specifically because human races do not vary morphologically, especially not in skull shape. You can easily measure a dog's skull to tell a Great Dane from a Chihuahua, which is why I used those breeds as an example.

        • RION [she/her]
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          2 months ago

          For another example beyond body profile, bloodhounds actually have more scent receptor cells than any other dog according to this article. A study from 2016 shows that scent hounds indeed perform better at sniffing for stuff. I did find a recent article about a study claiming to find evidence to the contrary, although it's a pre-print study that has not undergone peer review yet.

          • Nakoichi [they/them]
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            2 months ago

            None of this says anything about behavior or human aggression.

            • RION [she/her]
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              2 months ago

              Hi again - I hope this doesn't get too confusing since we've got two different threads going on but I'm not making any claims about human aggression. Maybe "behavior" if we count smelling things as behavior.

      • asa_red_heathen [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        No it is not lmao. Dog breeds most certainly do have drastic morphological differences created by humans selectively breeding them for thousands of years.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]
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          2 months ago

          Pitbulls haven't been a "breed" for longer than the early 20th century. That is not "thousands of years"