Did anyone here predict this time last year that the US would be in its current state? Because I sure didn't. Everything seems to be going downhill really fast. The decay seems exponential rather than linear. So with that being said, do you think the collapse could come soon? 2 years? next year? Maybe even before the end of this year? It would honestly be shocking if the US went from business as usual to civil war in the space of a few years.

    • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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      There was a slow steady decline for Britain because Britain just handed the crown of Great Satan to US and Britain and relegated itself as a floating US air craft carrier off the end of europe

      The Us does not have that fortune

      The US empire has overstretched itself both economically and militarily.

      When the PetroDollar collapses it will be a cascade of events: the US will be pushed out of its 900 bases further reducing its power and the crumbs of imperialism (which are already drying up for the US working class) will be nothing

      The US will be dealing with riots on 10x the scale of this year (probably a civil war or low level insurgency) at the same time the dollar collapses and US imperialism is routed

      For the US it will be a collapse

      • LatheOfLeavenedBread [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Who will push it off those bases? America's client states need America as much as America needs them. The elite in those countries desperately want and need American bases to help them with the inte and logistics of putting down domestic uprisings and to serve as a deterrent against foreign invasion. Can you imagine Saudi Arabia or Kuwait ever telling the Americans to get out?

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          America’s client states need America as much as America needs them.

          That's basically the point. When the dollar crashes (US is currently at $27 trillion debt) the US will not be able to bribe and corrupt its client states.

          The right wing are everywhere in the world because the US has corrupted the entire world in an image after itself. When the dollar isn't worth anything there's going to be a lot of right wingers thrown out and a whole new era of revolution will begin

          Most countries dont want US bases. Japan/Okinawa/Korea routinely protest against US occupation

          The entire world is a right wing hell because the US is able to corrupt its client states

          In Jan this year Duterte told the US to get out of Phillipines but reversed this decision in June showing the local bourgeois of a US puppet state is now umming and arring about US capability.

          Korea is another one that is basically set in stone since DPRK developed ICBMs - the US will eventually be forced out just like it was esssentially forced to meet Kim Jong Un because of political forces represented by Mon Jae In in the occupied South who want reunification

          Can you imagine Saudi Arabia

          The original founder of Saudi Arabia (note the Saudi....they renamed an entire country after a family) said soemthing along the lines of "My grandfather rode camels, my dad drove a landrover, I drive a lamborghini, my son will drive a BMW but his son will ride a camel"

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Literally who cares

              This economy sucks

              Even middle class Americans are getting squeezed whilst the rest of the world has been turned into either

              A)utter ruins from imperialist wars

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              B) giant slave child labour camps to send their goods chocolate/clothes/coffee/fruit/minerals for high technology

            • Des [she/her, they/them]
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              4 years ago

              for the first time in my life i have a small nest egg (had to slave 60 hr weeks during initial covid time as a 'front line' person). i'm not sure if i should just dump it into useful things like food and ammo.