Motte: "I’m a bigot because I oppose circumcision and also rubbing your cock while looking at your parents?"
Bailey: " they make it even worse when they compare penile circumcision to vaginal circumcision"
You're defending your sexist subtext that one act of mutilation against a helpless lump of stem cells is worse than another because lol look at this freak incel amirite?
i kind of agree with you that female circumcision is worse, but you're doing a shitty job of explaining to them why.
most female circumcision removes the entire clitoris and leaves many women incapable of orgasm, which isn't the same for male circumcision, so it is in most cases much worse. but you need to explain your reasonings otherwise they'll continue to attack you as a sexist.
The reason I haven't spent time on this with @PaulRyansWorkoutTape is because we've already been through it. I'm going to summon him to the thread so he can give you his nuclear, fucking weapons-grade bad takes on circumcision. Trust me, he's going to make me look like a fucking saint once he starts talking about vaginal versus penile circumcision. Unless he's changed it, it ain't pretty.
I think that's missing the point of what people are generally comparing. I'm no expert on the community, but the way I've generally heard the argument go is that the ethical implications are very similar. Both are involuntary procedures that are normally performed on babies-toddlers. Both procedures cause irreparable bodily alterations that CAN have serious side effects, up to and including chronic pain and discomfort, infection, reduced sexual satisfaction and libido, and all manner of bad stuff. (Maybe here is where you think it's not comparable because of severity of symptoms? I think that's missing the point still, so I'll move on.) Both procedures generally have no medical use or benefit, and are associated with cultural or religious norms towards the human body and sexuality.
Given how many similarities there are, it seems perfectly rational to compare the two, and appropriate to condemn both on the grounds that we aren't respecting the bodily autonomy of children and are causing permanent physical harm. Pointing out problematic parts of a community is one thing, but to suddenly imply the entire discussion of moral equivalence is illegitimate belittles the experience of those who have, arguably, suffered a great harm. It only serves to silence voices trying to raise awareness on an issue that you yourself acknowledge is bad.
Stop acting like a chud and pulling this motte and bailey shit, please
How is this motte and bailey? I oppose circumcision, but I recognize there are substantial difference between penile and vaginal circumcision.
Motte: "I’m a bigot because I oppose circumcision and also rubbing your cock while looking at your parents?"
Bailey: " they make it even worse when they compare penile circumcision to vaginal circumcision"
You're defending your sexist subtext that one act of mutilation against a helpless lump of stem cells is worse than another because lol look at this freak incel amirite?
You're way over the 'fuck you' line of bad faith.
lmao you are proving very loudly and proudly that anti circumcision folks are incel as fuck by claiming I'm sexist
Dude I was with you generally until reading this thread. This has been an absolute garbage of line of reasoning on your part.
Edit: for anyone arriving late we talked it out, I think we're more on the same page now.
Tell me what's garbage.
i kind of agree with you that female circumcision is worse, but you're doing a shitty job of explaining to them why.
most female circumcision removes the entire clitoris and leaves many women incapable of orgasm, which isn't the same for male circumcision, so it is in most cases much worse. but you need to explain your reasonings otherwise they'll continue to attack you as a sexist.
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yeah. that sounds about right.
The reason I haven't spent time on this with @PaulRyansWorkoutTape is because we've already been through it. I'm going to summon him to the thread so he can give you his nuclear, fucking weapons-grade bad takes on circumcision. Trust me, he's going to make me look like a fucking saint once he starts talking about vaginal versus penile circumcision. Unless he's changed it, it ain't pretty.
I mean, the other poster did and you just started insulting him. That ain't how I wanna spend my morning fam.
The other poster did what? He claimed I'm doing a sexism because I think vaginal circumcision is not comparable to penile circumcision.
I think that's missing the point of what people are generally comparing. I'm no expert on the community, but the way I've generally heard the argument go is that the ethical implications are very similar. Both are involuntary procedures that are normally performed on babies-toddlers. Both procedures cause irreparable bodily alterations that CAN have serious side effects, up to and including chronic pain and discomfort, infection, reduced sexual satisfaction and libido, and all manner of bad stuff. (Maybe here is where you think it's not comparable because of severity of symptoms? I think that's missing the point still, so I'll move on.) Both procedures generally have no medical use or benefit, and are associated with cultural or religious norms towards the human body and sexuality.
Given how many similarities there are, it seems perfectly rational to compare the two, and appropriate to condemn both on the grounds that we aren't respecting the bodily autonomy of children and are causing permanent physical harm. Pointing out problematic parts of a community is one thing, but to suddenly imply the entire discussion of moral equivalence is illegitimate belittles the experience of those who have, arguably, suffered a great harm. It only serves to silence voices trying to raise awareness on an issue that you yourself acknowledge is bad.
I'm not claiming you're sexist. I'm observing your sexism. Claiming that categorically identical brutality against one sex is better than another.
And that's a hell of a chud argument again. "lol the fact that you're arguing with me is proof that you're wrong"
Are you mad about the woman Ghostbusters still
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