• Bady@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      11 months ago

      I am an atheist and I believe the world would be much better without religions. Having said that, I don't conisder it as a scam in itslef. Instead they must have been something evolved over the time due to our ignorance, fear and helplessness. The very same factors that still keep them going.

      But hell yeah, people are exploited in the name of religion. I'm from India, one of the largest so called democracies, currently under the governance of a fascist hindutva party that thrives on polarizing people in the name of religion.

      BTW I was actually looking for specific instances of scams carefully plotted by known people, companies or even countries instead of broad answers like religion.

      • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        Having said that, I don’t conisder it as a scam in itslef

        I think the more correct thing to say is that Organized Religion is a scam. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being religious (provided you don't force those views on others), but organized religion always winds up rotten at the top - and it's not surprising. Organized religion is one of the most powerful tools for controlling people, even if it wasn't (though it might have been) intended to be that way at the beginning. A king/president/dictator can threaten the lives of their subjects, but only a holy man can threaten their immortal soul (from the perspective of the devotee anyways).

        • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
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          11 months ago

          Now that's a take I completely stand behind and agree with. I couldn't have put it better myself. That said, some religions were not made with the intent of controlling others. I don't think Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism were made with the intent to control people. We can argue about Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as they were made for control by their founders, and what they intended for these movements after their deaths we do not know (or at least I don't, maybe someone out there does).

          • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            Again - I'm not arguing necessarily that any of them started out that way, in fact - I'm willing to bet that very few (looking at you, Mormons) actually were. Most religion (in my humble opinion) just stems from folks trying to make sense of an unfathomable universe using what tools are available to them at the time. But once you have the religion, and you have holy men/women who have the ability to excersize some form of power over their flock, you'll inevitably find corrupt people flocking to those positions, as they do in every position of power. Then over time they'll carve out more power for themselves and more authority, find ways of extracting influence and power from their positions until soon you've got "holy men" living in palaces with the authority of kings.

            It's just human nature for positions of power to eventually become corrupted to some degree, and positions of religious authority offer an unparalleled lever in which to move the masses, which only serves to make it more attractive to would-be tyrants

        • richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one
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          11 months ago

          There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being religious (provided you don’t force those views on others)

          Hum. That's like saying "there's nothing wrong with being convinced that 2+2=5". There's something intrinsically mistaken about it, and I don't think it's defensible.

  • Efwis@lemmy.zip
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    11 months ago

    Ponzi schemes, especially the insurance companies. They really are a Ponzi scheme.

    Think about it, they promise you things asking for money, then when you need their services they decide where you go, how much they will pay (leaving the rest for you to pay as a deductible), then they turn around and increase your costs for their services, that they fight tooth and nail not to pay anything.

    • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      I work in the insurance industry and I 100% agree with this.

      The only time it's wise to take out an insurance policy is when

      A) It's legally required (though this is sometimes due to lobbying by the insurance companies themselves)

      B) When you absolutely will not be able to actually pay for a potential, but necessary expense by yourself (cancer treatments and stuff like that)

      So Health Insurance, Auto Insurance (even if your car is cheap and self-insurable, the car you hit may not be), Home-owners insurance and stuff like that are necessary and generally a good financial bet, even if they are crooked af.

      Any "micro-insurances" though? All total scams. Travel insurance, phone insurance (or "Extended Warranties"), Apple Care, all that kind of shit is 100% going to cost you more money to have than it'll save you - unless you get really really lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it). You'd be better off spending what you'd pay on those insurance premiums on a hand of blackjack, I'll bet the odds would be slightly more in your favor that way

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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        11 months ago

        Ugh my parents both insist on travel insurance. What if you get sick?? Idk, I'll cancel the stuff I can and take the loss on what I can't, for all the travel I've done the amount of times that has happened does not even remotely come close to how much I would have paid each time for travel insurance.

        No mom, I'm not going to insure our 2 night stay at the Hilton in (mid sized city). I'm sure it's going to be fine.

        Last time I did was for a very very expensive flight across an ocean, just because it was like, 15 dollars on a 2000 flight for a few people. Fine, but everything else we took the risk. (And we did not use it)

        • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          Travel insurance is especially terrible, because a lot of the time it's a pretty substantial premium, and actually filing a claim on it is a HUGE PITA.

          I worked for a traveler insurance company before, and we denied most claims that came in. People would buy insurance on a $100 concert ticket, paying a $10 premium for the insurance, then when they'd go to file the claim, we'd require a doctors note, so now they also have to cough up a $20 copay and a whole afternoon just to get a note saying "yup, this person is sick". And that's just one of the many ways people got fleeced. During COVID, a lot of travel insurance claims got denied because illnesses resulting from pandemics aren't covered in some policies as well

          • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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            11 months ago

            not surprised at all, I've found it's just better to learn the cancellation policy of your items. Most hotels are full refund if they know >48 hours, and if less usually you'll at least get points/credit back which for me I'll absolutely use next time. Not worth the premium and the hassle to get cash back if I only find out less than 48 hours ahead of time

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        Travel insurance is my big one. Why would you not get that? That seems like such a stupid risk not to get that.

        Like if I get hit by a car in the middle of nowhere and they got to fly my home because the medical care there sucks. That's going to cost an absolute fortune. Even having to send my dead body home will cost my family loads.

        • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          Why would you not get that? That seems like such a stupid risk not to get that.

          Pretty much for all the reasons I said in my comment - you'll almost certainly spend more on premiums for travel insurance than you'll ever claim (this is true of all insurance) and the expenses incurred by self-insuring are generally manageable. Even in the two situations you refer to, we're "only" talking about costs of a few thousand, and both of those are highly unlikely events that most people go their whole lives not dealing with. you're much better off putting the money you'd spend on that travel insurance into an emergency fund to cover those kinds of unexpected expenses.

          Insurance is only a good financial call if you risk completely bankrupting yourself by not having insurance, otherwise you're just trading potential lump sum costs for small continuous costs, and the premiums will generally always wind up being more than what you're saving (because if they weren't, then the Insurance companies wouldn't be making so much money).

          That being said, it's your money, if you'd rather accept that you're paying more over a lifetime on travel insurance than you're saving just to have the peace of mind that you won't have to dip into savings for any incident that happens before or during the trip (assuming your incident doesn't fall under one of the many carefully crafted exclusions that the insurance companies add to their policies to prevent paying out, which it probably will), then by all means, buy it - but if you're buying it because you think it's the financially savy move, and you have at least a few grand in your bank account for emergencies, then you're kidding yourself.

          • ElHexo [comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            When you say travel insurance, are you thinking of overseas medical expenses?

            I cut my foot on some rocks in the US and that insurance claim paid for all the previous travel insurance I'd taken out previously.

          • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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            11 months ago

            you'll almost certainly spend more on premiums for travel insurance than you'll ever claim (this is true of all insurance)

            Yes I agree but it's about how you value risk. Losing $100 on travel insurance is better than losing $1,000,000 on hospital bills. The risk is different obviously but I'm not worried about $100 for peace of mind. I have even gone to war zones were my insurance was invalid but I had it in safer places because it's all about risk.

            Even in the two situations you refer to, we're "only" talking about costs of a few thousand, and both of those are highly unlikely events

            That's just where your wrong and there is no point continuing this discussion. You don't think people have to pay a fortune for medical cover when you have no insurance? Sure some countries might cover that and their might be mutual care agreements. But not having insurance in a place that won't pay your hospital bills. That's madness. Your argument works if you artificially make up costs sure.

            I have personally know loads of people to get in accidents when travelling, I have myself. I have only heard one person being hospitalised and getting sent home but it happens and it isn't cheap.

            • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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              11 months ago

              And you would be entirely correct - if insurance companies acted in good faith, the reality however, is that they don't. Your comments are already littered with replies of people giving you examples that they've personally experienced of carefully constructed exclusions meaning that they can't actually claim their policy.

              I have no doubt that there are people out there for whom travel insurance has saved their ass, but I know from my own experience in the industry that the far more common experience for policy holders is to wind up with the insurance company finding a reason to not pay up, and now you're left both with the cost of the emergency, as well as the cost of the policy.

              Like I said, it's your money, and I'm certainly not going to give a shit if you keep buying travel insurance policies, hell - people buying insurance policies pay my salary (though i don't work in travel insurance any longer)

      • ElHexo [comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        Travel insurance is very much required travelling to many countries. Basically the same category as health insurance.

        Insuring travel itself is a scam.

      • Efwis@lemmy.zip
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        11 months ago

        Thanks for your input, it helps not make me sound like a conspiracy theorist or anti-biz whack job

        • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          nothing conspiracy theorist about it at all. If anyone gives you sideways looks when you mention that insurance is a scam, just point out the very simple and undeniable fact that insurance companies are (very) profitable. That means, by definition that the average customer pays more in premiums than they get in payouts, and not just a bit more, a lot more, as that profit they make is after they pay their thousands of employees, award multi-million dollar bonuses to their executives, pay for their bigass skyscrapers, and all that other shit. If insurance was a "fair" deal, they'd be losing money from the administration costs

          Always self-insure if you can afford it

    • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
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      11 months ago

      Oh my god, thank you so much! I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it. They get money, they invest that money in pension funds, and then they try not to pay that back. The only things stopping it from being one legally are some slight changes such as the investment part and the part where they pay back to people in need, not people at the top.

      • Efwis@lemmy.zip
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        11 months ago

        Unfortunately, like all big business, they don’t care about anything but fleecing the little guy

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Cryptocurrency in general. Even on the surface, as presented, the main appeal to buy in is "to get rich from it" and the main way you're supposed to get rich is "other people buying in, get in early while you can."

    Ponzi. Schemes. All of them. unlimited-power

    • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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      11 months ago

      It does have a utility though, buying drugs, moving money past capital controls, and creating fake revenue/losses for laundering money and tax evasion.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        You forgot the human trafficking potential. Checkmate very-intelligent

    • temptest [any]
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      11 months ago

      I disagree that cryptocurrency in itself is a scam. It can have legitimate utility, for example I want to exchange money for international services without a credit card or mailing an envelope of cash/cheque. Bitcoin and some others are mainstream enough that I can do this.

      That said, investing in them is absolutely a scam, using it as a marketing buzzhype is a scam, and most of them are founded as scams.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        It can have legitimate utility

        Sure, sure. But does it and can it actually stay that way?

        I haven't seen a functioning example actually out there yet of a planet-burning electricity-wasting math busywork generator that actually does anything it supposedly can do besides become another ruinous and wasteful grift that does more damage to the planet than whatever convenience it supposedly offers to comfort the comforted.

        • temptest [any]
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          11 months ago

          does it

          Well, my transaction went through, so yes.

          I agree that it is wasteful and overall a bad thing... now that I think about it could be somewhat excusable if they adopted a PoW algrothim that actually solves socially-useful expensive problems like protein-folding, through distributed computing.

          But that doesn't make it a scam. There's not really any trickery. It's just bad.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            now that I think about it could be somewhat excusable if they adopted a PoW algrothim that actually solves socially-useful expensive problems like protein-folding, through distributed computing.

            You're claiming that cryptogrifts can theoretically cease being environmentally ruinous energy-wasting grifts (for Science!(tm)) and so on, so why not go one further and state that such applications theoretically DON'T need Bitcoin or related blockchain monetization at all?

            If it's already an environmentally ruinous energy-wasting grift, and you're claiming it can do good things while also being an environmentally ruinous energy-wasting grift, why not take the speculative fantasy a little further and lose the environmentally ruinous energy-wasting grift entirely?

            There's not really any trickery.

            doubt

            • temptest [any]
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              11 months ago

              I'm not claiming that. It would still be environmentally ruinous (insofar as the energy production where miners live remains ruinous, which I guess is the foreseeable future) but at least the PoW would be actually contributing to tasks we wanted to do anyway that require large amounts of work. Hence the heavy emphasis on 'somewhat'. I'm not saying it would be justified, but it would be far far far more useful to society.

              Incidentally, why characterise non-profit medical research as "for Science!(tm))"? I hope we can both agree that understanding the human body is valuable to society and curing disease.

              and state that such applications theoretically DON'T need Bitcoin or related blockchain monetization at all?

              There are cryptographic requirements for securely conveying the necessary information for that application, an application that requires extremely limited identity and trust and centralization. I can't think of an alternative covering those requirements that is plausible right now and not pure what-if (there is a big jump in feasibility between 'change the proof of work algorithm' and 'invent an alternative to cryptocurrency'). If we can find an alternative to expensive PoW, wonderful!

              Yes, if those requirements are relaxed, there are alternatives. If you're fine with PayPal storing your personal and financial details and those of the recipient and exploiting you a little bit, then it's an alternative. If your recipient is fine giving personal information, speed isn't an option and you live in a country where sending cash in mail is legal and won't get stolen, that's an option. Of course, this all goes to shit if you're trading with someone in a sanctioned country.

              There's not really any trickery.

              (X)

              Alright, what about Bitcoin is fraudulent? We agree it's bad, but that doesn't make it fraudulent (i.e. a scam)

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                It would still be environmentally ruinous (insofar as the energy production where miners live remains ruinous, which I guess is the foreseeable future) but at least the PoW would be actually contributing to tasks we wanted to do anyway that require large amounts of work. Hence the heavy emphasis on 'somewhat'. I'm not saying it would be justified, but it would be far far far more useful to society.

                "Less of a net negative" is still a net negative if it requires a massive and ever-growing bloated blockchain to verify every accumulating transactions for the vague and non-enforced promise of FOR SCIENCE(tm) benefits.

                If we can find an alternative to expensive PoW, wonderful!

                At present the alternative is not doing it because it's still a net negative when it comes to wasted energy and environmental damage.

                Alright, what about Bitcoin is fraudulent? We agree it's bad, but that doesn't make it fraudulent (i.e. a scam)

                Sea lioning at this point is very bad form and I'm quite confident that you're not going to accept any example or definition I give because you're already sold on your particular investment, but fine.

                Let's start with the actual fucking fraud done with it, from phishing to theft to holding data hostage and demanding payment to decrypt that data before it's destroyed, as is a growing common "use case" for Bitcoin when it isn't being used for human trafficking and the like. You can piously claim in some pedantic "CODE IS LAW" thing that there's no fraud in the code itself but splitting hairs like that doesn't remove the incentive (or the risk, or the ongoing caseload) of fraud done with, around, and even against your favorite investment vehicle.

                https://www.cryptopolitan.com/3-4-billion-penalty-in-cftc-bitcoin-fraud/

                https://www.theblock.co/post/226534/silk-road-hacker-sentenced

                https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/bitcoin-fraud-cftc/2023/04/28/id/1117850/?ns_mail_uid=8b680911-ae97-4076-9bbe-2f0447621e49&ns_mail_job=DM466889_04292023&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010102ydx2id

                • temptest [any]
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                  11 months ago

                  Agreeing with the parts re: net negative. No, I don't invest in cryptocurrency; like I said, investing in them is a scam.

                  Let's start with the actual fucking fraud done with it

                  Fraud is done with basically anything considered to have value. Cash, credit, signatures, votes, wine, wires, mail, licenses, taxes, recorded age. Fraud is the scam! And cryptocurrency is especially useful for scamming (has the anonymity of cash without the physical restrictions). But that's not it's purpose or main use. That's not spiting hairs, it's calling the hat the head. Your example of encrypting ransomware used to be done with the postal service, floppy discs and cash in the 90s. One example from 1989

                  edit: this of course is an advantage of non-transferable labour vouchers!

                  Sea lioning

                  That's not what sea-lioning is. Someone asked us to name some scams, you said cryptocurrency, I disagreed that it qualified as a scam, you replied that you doubted my disagreement and I asked for clarification. If either of us wants to stop, we stop. Sea-lioning is stalking across the site like a debate pervert, it's not replying to replies.

                  I'm not just running my mouth here, I'm evaluating my understanding of cryptocurrency and finding disagreements to make me question them. And also seeing if I'm able to have a constructive conversation - it's good practice for real labour conversations in the workplace.

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    So it is all pedantic arguments for the sake of some theoretical version of something that does not actually exist in a functioning and usable form right now without all of the net negative consequences that already exist, right now.

                    But you did a transaction! And in theory it can be for science(tm)! That makes it all okay because technically a dictionary absolves the holy code of all the wrongdoing done with the holy code. morshupls

                    And also seeing if I'm able to have a constructive conversation

                    Bring me one that isn't pedantic sea lioning and sure, maybe.

                    But that's not it's purpose or main use

                    It is the purpose and use for people buying into it, right now, and that's what gets people interested and investing, no matter what claims are made by the grifters themselves.

                    it's good practice for real labour conversations in the workplace.

                    If you're a leftist in any actual form please reconsider peddling internet funny money to people that can (and often have) lost a lot of money buying into it, whether through volatility or outright fraud/theft done with the technically not theft holy code you're apparently trying to peddle.

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Oh, also:

                    Sea-lioning is stalking across the site like a debate pervert, it's not replying to replies.

                    https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/sealioning-internet-trolling

                    You just failed at sea lioning me about sea lioning. pathetic

                    • temptest [any]
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                      11 months ago

                      https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/sealioning-internet-trolling

                      The origin of the term sealioning is traced to a webcomic called Wondermark by David Malki. In a strip called "The Terrible Sea Lion," which was published on September 19, 2014, a character expresses a strong dislike for sea lions, only for a sea lion to appear suddenly and pursue the character relentlessly—to the point of following her and her partner into her bedroom—insisting that she justify her beliefs.

                      Your source agrees too. No-one is perusing anyone. You're willingly replying to me and I'm willingly replying back within a thread. That's called a conversation.

                      [re: https://hexbear.net/comment/3697897 ]

                      So it is all pedantic arguments for the sake of some theoretical version of something that does not actually exist in a functioning and usable form right now without all of the net negative consequences that already exist, right now.

                      No.

                      But you did a transaction! And in theory it can be for science(tm)! That makes it all okay because technically a dictionary absolves the holy code of all the wrongdoing done with the holy code.

                      I explicitly said it wasn't ok, multiple times. Nor did I suggest either of those would make it ok. Nor is there anything 'technically' about the concept of a scam, and why that's different to a wrongdoing.

                      If you're a leftist in any actual form please reconsider peddling internet funny money to people that can (and often have) lost a lot of money buying into it, whether through volatility or outright fraud/theft done with the technically not theft holy code you're apparently trying to peddle.

                      If you're a leftist in any form, stop making bullshit assumptions and listen to what people actually say instead of projecting some irrelevant ridiculous strawman stuffed full of shit-no-one-said. If you want to pull this nonsense online here then whatever, but if this is how you behave in person then it's actively harmful to the socialist movement, and that's everyone's business. We have a world to take, comrade, and this kind of false-premise ranting isn't how we do it.

                      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        You're willingly replying to me and I'm willingly replying back within a thread. That's called a conversation.

                        If you really wanted a conversation, you wouldn't be talking like a condescending douche as you did in the above quoted part. It wouldn't fly offline, or very far outside of reddit-logo . At all.

                        I explicitly said it wasn't ok, multiple times. Nor did I suggest either of those would make it ok. Nor is there anything 'technically' about the concept of a scam, and why that's different to a wrongdoing.

                        Sure, but you keep dae le devil's advocating for it anyway, under pretenses of what it could be if only so many things were different to the point that there's nothing left but pretenses of DAE LE SCIENCE(tm) in such a fantastical different world. In short, I'm accusing you of bad faith argumentation and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

                        If you're a leftist in any form, stop making bullshit assumptions

                        We have a world to take, comrade, and this kind of false-premise ranting isn't how we do it.

                        No wonder you don't want bullshit, because you brought a heavy heaping steaming pile of your own, and it involves either credulously buying into the lie, or spreading the lie, that your transactional number magic is totally key, essential, or somehow just very useful, pinkie promise, for taking that world for... who exactly? Roughly the same group of rich assholes that have staggering majority stakes in the blockchain magic you keep hyping up, even while supposedly accepting how damaging and problematic it actually is in the living world that actually exists and not the fantastical alternate scenario you keep hinting at where the pedantically-pure number magic is allowed to work its miracles and somehow does it without further burning the planet down and wasting even more energy?

                        I don't believe what you claim your intentions really are, you've already gone full reddit-logo in sheer condescending arrogance in your last comment, and even if I took what you said at face value, what you're talking about doesn't even really seem productive, meaningful, or even interesting if you totally don't believe cryptocurrency grifts but just want to argue for the sake of arguing about what they could be if so many variables were changed that cryptocurrency (and the sheer energy and pollution disaster that is currently applied blockchain technology) is best not being a factor at all.

                        TL;DR You're just congratulating yourself at this point with sheer debatebro-l debatebro-r arrogance and announcements about how you're refining the sharp katana of your wit so you may cut down the ignorant and show them the light of The True Uncorrupted Blockchain or... whatever. I don't want to give you a hand with that. pathetic

                        • temptest [any]
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                          11 months ago

                          In short, I'm accusing you of bad faith argumentation and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

                          Alright, here it is without any of the bloat. My argument, and then more importantly, why calling out incorrect terminology even matters:

                          [click to expand]
                          • A scam is a fraudulent scheme. (That's not some obscure technicality, that's what OP meant, and what business articles and English dictionaries generally define it as.)
                          • Cryptocurrency, such as Bitcoin, isn't fraudulent (it acts as consumers expect it to: a valuable item capable of digital anonymous exchange).
                            • Whether it is harmful to our planet (true) is irrelevant to whether it is a scam.
                            • Whether people should stop using it (true) is irrelevant to whether it is a scam.
                            • Whether people abuse it for scams (true) is irrelevant to whether it is a scam. They were already doing the same with cash prior, and they do that with anything of value.
                          • None of this is defending cryptocurrency. I am not defending it, and I keep saying that I agree it's bad. I am saying it is not a scam, people use it and they aren't being swindled.

                          .

                          The reason why making this kind of distinction matters is that critique of anything should be relevant. That's a bit abstract, so I'll illustrate with a much more extreme example that I've seen from other people.

                          If someone ignorantly supports Joe Biden, labeling them a literal neo-Nazi has zero rhetorical value there, but also zero analytical value. Anyone with a basic knowledge of what Nazis are will understand this is inaccurate and either an ignorant accusation or bad faith name-calling, and will probably dismiss their further points. But also, someone who actually believes Biden is a neo-Nazi will not be as effective in combating Biden's regime (this will be explained later).

                          Pointing out that Biden is a racist, nationalist, fascism-enabler and the head of a genocidal regime, and therefore supporting them is harmful, on the other hand, is much more realistic. It still conveys that Biden is disgusting and deserves a bullet. It still conveys most of the same ideas. But this time, the critique makes a more accurate and therefore convincing and sturdy claim.

                          Having a more accurate understanding of Biden will allow us to better predict how they will act, and how to prepare. Biden isn't going to say "Death to the Jews, let's put the trans in camps". Biden is going to slip out shit like "you ain't Black", make laws that hurt the disadvantaged in more subtle ways, and will fail to act to defend trans people. Biden is going to be more subtle than any neo-Nazi. A neoliberal and a neo-Nazi will do different acts and require different approaches to get mainstream people to realize how horrific they are.

                          Maybe Biden is a strange example for prediction, but another case would be DeSantis and Trump. Yes they're both horrible, horrible fuckers who deserve the same ending. But, how will they both act differently? Will one be more concerned with corruption, self-image and self-gain than enacting ideological goals? Will one be more effective in implementing their goals than the other? That can be the difference between life and death for many, many people.

                          It's not just a trivial technicality, using appropriate crits is the difference between being credible and being ridiculous, and applying the right classifications can be the difference between understanding something and misinterpreting it. And that will have serious consequences.

                          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            None of this is defending cryptocurrency. I am not defending it

                            Is there even a purpose to your "the bad thing is actually good if almost everything about how it's being used and what it's doing to society and the planet was different somehow with very different societal conditions" devil's advocacy, besides sharpening the katana of you wit or whatever you're going on about then?

                            It's not just a trivial technicality, using appropriate crits is the difference between being credible and being ridiculous

                            Your motives here at this point seem trivial and ridiculous to me, especially if I take your claims at face value about how you're not actually supporting cryptogrifting, butt then throw dictionaries at me about what fraud actually berdly-actually is and how SCIENCE!(tm) can totally be furthered by way of the planet burning carbon dumping cumulatively worse waste of electricity that is technically not fraud at a coding level so that makes it innocent of all the fraud done with it. morshupls

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      It clearly has lower utility than being able to buy drugs legally

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Its best use cases are only circumstantial and in every case it wastes a lot of electricity, jacks up the price of video cards, and dumps a lot of extra carbon into the atmosphere. It's like a shitty planet-burning Rube Goldberg machine.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        But it's technically not a scam in a pedantic way at the coding level so any scams done with it don't really count and scientific research can totally be done with blockchain and if you ignore the wasted electricity and carbon disaster that cumulatively builds higher and higher with the way blockchain technology actually works because of every individual computer needing to verify proofs with every other computer it is actually not a scam and can do good things and I am sharping the katana of my wit because I can claim that I can not condoning cryptocurrency except I am in a contrarian way morshupls

  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    A large portion of art/artifacts are forgeries. Everyone is alright with it because galleries and collectors want to brag about having some unique old art piece and forgers are very good at making pieces that would fool anyone who is just looking at it.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      11 months ago

      There was a fantastic interview on The Jordan Harbinger Show podcast with a professional forger. I'd recommend searching for it. I've been meaning to give it a second listen for a few years, but have too much other content.

    • temptest [any]
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      11 months ago

      Landlords aren't a scam, they're anti-society economic hoarders and gougers. Scam suggests there's something voluntary about 'falling for' it. Human trafficking isn't a scam, and so nor are landlords.

  • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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    11 months ago

    Restaurants being rated with “Michelin stars” was created as a ploy to encourage people to buy cars and drive more to go on road trips to these restaurants so they’d wear through more tires and have to buy more

    *Edited because I was a bit off base

    • Kuori [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      i know a girl who takes her literal newborns to her chiropractor

      completely fucking horrifying and it's impossible to convince her that doing so is like playing catch with your baby as the ball

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        That's just simple streaching of the muscles. Chiropractic treatments put pressure on the spine to change the alignment of it.

        • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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          11 months ago

          "yeah but I mean, if it feels good when I crack my own back , what if a guy who went to school for that did it, I bet it'd feel great!"

          -poor dupe who thinks they're a real thing

    • Faceless@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      I don't know what they did to me but I actually got lot of relief from them when I hurt my back deadlifting.

  • zabadoh@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    Toothpaste.

    You only need to squeeze out an amount the size of a pea on to the bristles of your toothbrush.

    The image of squeezing along the entire length of the brush bristles was concocted by an ad agency, a la Mad Men, to make consumers use their toothpaste faster, hence buy more product.

    • fidodo@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      I've never used that much. I just assumed it was to look nice since a pea sized about would look silly in a picture. I think it I used that much my mouth would be so full of foam it would be uncomfortable

    • afox@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      Fools up your game. Tom's toothpaste is so absolutely classy. My gums never felt this good. Better ask jeeves.good ass toothpaste.

  • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    Interest and Rent.

    Passiv income in general ,as it obviously constituts itself from other Peoples Active Income , its per definition a scam...

    *"Because you once where in need and i lended you some coin , you now have to pay me back a expotentially rising amount of Coin ! its rate of rising is not messured on your harvest or the amount of offspring of your Herd but on Time going forward ! Because it surely will ! , If you Cant you will fall in Debt-Slavery to me. I am a Risktaker . you take the Risk . I Take . Always ." *

    they sold you for absolute Fools , Folks !

    (PS: Muslims not included)

    • jasondj@ttrpg.network
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      11 months ago

      I mean, this is really the source of all anti-semitism. Jews are (generally) forbidden from usury with other Jews but not non-Jews. This evolves into “Jews run the banks” and then “Jews run the world”.

      For that matter “religion” matches the OPs question.

      • temptest [any]
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        11 months ago

        It's a source. It's certainly not the 'one true source of all'. Quite a lot is just plain old unqualified nationalism and xenophobia too.

      • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        no the religion is actually the instrument to limit & forbid the Usury , Time is Gods realm thereby enslaving Time is Satans work (check out "the Pillars of Islam" ) Jesus wanted to also fight the Landholder & Creditor Classes and agitatoed for the Debt Cancelation (the Tabula Rasa , the Clean Slate , the Debt Jubilee ) , like they where demanded by the Scripture , the Creditor and Landholderclasses thereby had their Powerbase threatend by this Social Revolutionary & killed him. But his Message of "Debt Cancelation" they could not put back into the Box , thereby they twisted it.. Concret Debt became "Sin" and Jesus then suddenly "Died for our Sins" , removing christianity from its social revolutionary BASE function and putting all it into the Afterlife (Superstrutuctre)

        . Not the Jews Killed Jesus , the "Landholder and Creditor Classes killed jesus" , thats why "class awareness" is soooo fucking key , if one does not have Class awareness , he will instead use "Peoplegroups" (Jews , Russians , Angloids) in his Mental Framing , bringing hate upon them (antisemitism good example) instead of the Parasitic Classes.. The "Landholder Classes " killed him , then castrated his message until the Religion became a instrument in service of their power....

        Religion does thereby not match accutly the Definition of Scam , Islam protects specificly from this Scam , but the Landholder Christianity ,you know of , really is a scam. Obviously Religion will always serve the status quo Powerstructures ... but there are diffrences ..

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