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  • Infamousblt [any]
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    3 months ago

    When the US does it it's part of the great melting pot experiment. When China does it its luring. Yes I see.

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [she/her, they/them]
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    3 months ago

    The US's scientific programs are only sustained by poaching the best and brightest from around the world, and the opportunities for long-term residency and citizenship in the US is certainly part of that draw. China's domestic science base is more than competitive with the US, and would agree that reforms to immigration would shift the balance further in their favor.

    • flan [they/them]
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      edit-2
      3 months ago

      the US immigration system is such a shit show it's hard to argue it's a positive draw but people are willing to put up with it because the pay in the US is so much better than anywhere else. Look no further than people immigrating to Canada first so they can get on a visa that's less painful while they wait in line for a decade to get a green card.

      • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        Not only is the pay better, but everywhere else research is so underfunded that the US economy, engorged by imperial extraction is one of the places where the best equipment/teams are. So if you want to be among the best of your field, you're pretty much forced to go to the US

  • curmudgeonthefrog [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    The US is so fucking cooked if international researchers choose to go to China. A lot of our domestic research comes from international labor:

    "40 percent of current doctoral students and 53 percent of postdocs in STEM and social sciences do not hold permanent status in this country. International students make up almost 35 percent of the Ph.D. population in the United States, and that number will probably only increase in the coming years given the looming enrollment cliff and projected decrease in numbers of domestic students."

    https://www.insidehighered.com/opinion/career-advice/carpe-careers/2024/01/22/new-model-support-international-phds-and-postdocs

    And China's surpassed the US in number of publications in high impact journals since at least 2018.

    https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate/all/global

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      3 months ago

      Indeed, US education system is absolute garbage and the cost of higher education is prohibitively expensive. If global talent starts finding new destinations, it's curtains for US.