If the West didn't organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn't have invaded. The Russians didn't just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.
I'd love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
I'd love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
I cannot fucking wait for China and Russia to do freedom of navigation exercises between Cuba and Florida like how the US does with Taiwan and China and for Americans to just fucking LOSE it. Holy shit, it'll be so funny. "No, this isn't the same because China is evil and we're the good guys!"
Mexico aint joining brics unfortunely. Tho it doesnt stop the US from manufacturing consent to invade on a daily basis with their fentanyl+cartel talking points.
The West's support of Ukraine is getting them all killed anyway. Might as well lay down your arms and have some working-age males to rebuild the country with after surrendering.
They could have made peace near the beginning of the war and they rejected it. Russia offered to hand back Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts and withdraw in exchange for Ukraine giving up aspirations of NATO and not trying to acquire nuclear missiles, but Ukraine refused. Hardly the rhetoric of a bloodthirsty warlord.
If the west didn't use Ukraine as a proxy there wouldn't have been a war in the first place. It's sad human garbage such as yourself that mad it possible. Now you sit here and bloviate while people die. Fuck you!
If the west wouldn't 'support' Ukraine then they'd still have their democratically elected government and wouldn't be in conflict with Russia in the first place
from how you assign the will of "Ukraine" to the fascist militias that carried out the coup. Not the actual voting population of the country. Those people aren't "Ukraine". Because "Ukraine" rejected what Ukraine voted for. FuNnY thAt.
Did all the Japanese get killed after they surrendered? Did all Germans? If they had surrendered earlier less of them would have died. The same goes for Nazi Ukraine. Their defeat is inevitable, and prolonging the inevitable only adds to the suffering...and to the list of war crimes that they will be charged with by Russia's tribunals afterwards. The West's "support" is literally destroying Ukraine and they have all admitted that they have no problem with this, in fact they profit from it.
The West is happy to "fight to the last Ukrainian" to hurt Russia, the Banderite Nazis are happy to die (and force their less fanatical compatriots to do so as well) for the West so long as it enables their genocidal urges, meanwhile the only ones who actually care about the Ukrainian people and have gone out of their way to try and save them from the Western imperialists and from themselves are the Russians.
It's actually really sad that there isn't a single country on the planet that cares about Ukraine except Russia (and maybe Belarus). To the West they're just a tool, useful idiot cannon fodder, to the rest of the world they're a tragic cautionary tale about what happens when you let the lunatics take over the asylum, which is what happened on the Maidan in 2014. If you really cared about Ukraine you too would want the flow of weapons and money to them to stop, because the longer this goes on the worse it will be for them.
you're so wrong it's hard to know where to even begin. You buy into the premise that the US arming reactionaries and building them up as a force to destabilize and entire region is somehow "protecting" people.
you're so wrong it's hard to know where to even begin
Yeah man looks like you have all that insight from your secret sources that anyone else does not.
Why is the entirety of Europe so dumb and supports Ukraine not getting fucked for literally no valid reason?
Look, there's basically two theories for why no one outside this removed bubble agrees with these shit takes - especially in the region where this is happening.
A) you and the twenty other dudes are just smarter than anyone else that cannot see through what you have apparently uncovered by sitting on your desk and browsing the web
B) the absolute majority of politicians, the military, and the actual people living in the continent have gotten it right
If you think A) is the case then I don't know what else to tell you
Why is the entirety of Europe so dumb and supports Ukraine not getting fucked for literally no valid reason?
Loaded question that presupposes that Europe is actually "supporting" Ukraine and not simply dangling membership in the world's largest protection racket in front of them like a carrot on a stick, in order to get them to fight a pointless and avoidable war to destabilize Russia, while also further privatizing and looting the Ukrainian economy.
So, again, your argument is that you have unique insight that no one else has. Do you even realize that at this point?
Even if what you said was true and by chance you got it right, there's so much in it that makes literally no sense.
simply dangling membership in the world's largest protection racket in front of them like a carrot on a stick
Literally no one was having serious talks about this before the invasion. If that was the end goal all along that could have been so much easier BEFORE the war.
n order to get them to fight a pointless and avoidable war to destabilize Russia
Russia was not stable in any way, share, or form before the war. They weren't even a real democracy.
And, again, even if that were true: Russia started the war. And they can end it at any point in time.
The west doesn't have to destabilize Russia because they are absolutely irrelevant from both a economics and military perspective.
Which is presumably why they started the war.
while also further privatizing and looting the Ukrainian economy
They are being gifted weapons and money. Idk how you could even think this was a net gain.
don't know why you're fixated on this point. Russia isn't a democracy. And? Nobody here is arguing that Russia is a good country or a democracy.
Of course you imagine that the capitalist class dictatorships in the NATO countries are real democracies because they practice multi-party elections between competing capitalist factions, while failing to ever represent working class or marginalized interests except in the most nominal and symbolic ways.
They are being gifted weapons and money. Idk how you could even think this was a net gain.
Ukraine is not being gifted anything. they're expected to pay for all of this "aid," with interest. Down the line this will be used as an excuse to privatize and loot their economy. Oh wait. It already is.
That has to be one of the dumbest takes I've ever read on the internet.
If the West wouldn't support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that's about it.
If the West didn't organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn't have invaded. The Russians didn't just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.
I'd love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
I cannot fucking wait for China and Russia to do freedom of navigation exercises between Cuba and Florida like how the US does with Taiwan and China and for Americans to just fucking LOSE it. Holy shit, it'll be so funny. "No, this isn't the same because China is evil and we're the good guys!"
They did it near Alaska and Yankees lost it
Mexico aint joining brics unfortunely. Tho it doesnt stop the US from manufacturing consent to invade on a daily basis with their fentanyl+cartel talking points.
The West's support of Ukraine is getting them all killed anyway. Might as well lay down your arms and have some working-age males to rebuild the country with after surrendering.
They could have made peace near the beginning of the war and they rejected it. Russia offered to hand back Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts and withdraw in exchange for Ukraine giving up aspirations of NATO and not trying to acquire nuclear missiles, but Ukraine refused. Hardly the rhetoric of a bloodthirsty warlord.
If the west didn't use Ukraine as a proxy there wouldn't have been a war in the first place. It's sad human garbage such as yourself that mad it possible. Now you sit here and bloviate while people die. Fuck you!
If the west wouldn't 'support' Ukraine then they'd still have their democratically elected government and wouldn't be in conflict with Russia in the first place
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If nearly a decade ago Ukraine were allowed to keep it's democratically elected government, they would be under Putin's control?
Why do you feel comfortable jumping in to argue when you don't seem to know what's being talked about in the first place?
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Holy shit what a nauseating
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oh honey you don't have to pretend to be any dumber
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Wait for it
Its such a sad tell that you servile losers simply can't concieve of not "worshipping" something
also yes I am 10/10
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In what way and to what degree am I defending Russia and against what?
Be specific if you're going to criticize me so I don't spend too much time going back and forth cutting through generalities.
Did all the Japanese get killed after they surrendered? Did all Germans? If they had surrendered earlier less of them would have died. The same goes for Nazi Ukraine. Their defeat is inevitable, and prolonging the inevitable only adds to the suffering...and to the list of war crimes that they will be charged with by Russia's tribunals afterwards. The West's "support" is literally destroying Ukraine and they have all admitted that they have no problem with this, in fact they profit from it.
The West is happy to "fight to the last Ukrainian" to hurt Russia, the Banderite Nazis are happy to die (and force their less fanatical compatriots to do so as well) for the West so long as it enables their genocidal urges, meanwhile the only ones who actually care about the Ukrainian people and have gone out of their way to try and save them from the Western imperialists and from themselves are the Russians.
It's actually really sad that there isn't a single country on the planet that cares about Ukraine except Russia (and maybe Belarus). To the West they're just a tool, useful idiot cannon fodder, to the rest of the world they're a tragic cautionary tale about what happens when you let the lunatics take over the asylum, which is what happened on the Maidan in 2014. If you really cared about Ukraine you too would want the flow of weapons and money to them to stop, because the longer this goes on the worse it will be for them.
Not to mention the arming of a now destabilize country in Europe, could have totally unforeseeable consequences. But that's not Americans problem.
Kill who? Without the west supplying and supporting Ukraine wouldn't even have a functioning military to kill.
you're so wrong it's hard to know where to even begin. You buy into the premise that the US arming reactionaries and building them up as a force to destabilize and entire region is somehow "protecting" people.
Yeah man looks like you have all that insight from your secret sources that anyone else does not.
Why is the entirety of Europe so dumb and supports Ukraine not getting fucked for literally no valid reason?
Look, there's basically two theories for why no one outside this removed bubble agrees with these shit takes - especially in the region where this is happening.
A) you and the twenty other dudes are just smarter than anyone else that cannot see through what you have apparently uncovered by sitting on your desk and browsing the web B) the absolute majority of politicians, the military, and the actual people living in the continent have gotten it right
If you think A) is the case then I don't know what else to tell you
Loaded question that presupposes that Europe is actually "supporting" Ukraine and not simply dangling membership in the world's largest protection racket in front of them like a carrot on a stick, in order to get them to fight a pointless and avoidable war to destabilize Russia, while also further privatizing and looting the Ukrainian economy.
So, again, your argument is that you have unique insight that no one else has. Do you even realize that at this point?
Even if what you said was true and by chance you got it right, there's so much in it that makes literally no sense.
Literally no one was having serious talks about this before the invasion. If that was the end goal all along that could have been so much easier BEFORE the war.
Russia was not stable in any way, share, or form before the war. They weren't even a real democracy.
And, again, even if that were true: Russia started the war. And they can end it at any point in time.
The west doesn't have to destabilize Russia because they are absolutely irrelevant from both a economics and military perspective.
Which is presumably why they started the war.
They are being gifted weapons and money. Idk how you could even think this was a net gain.
yeah, we know.
don't know why you're fixated on this point. Russia isn't a democracy. And? Nobody here is arguing that Russia is a good country or a democracy.
Of course you imagine that the capitalist class dictatorships in the NATO countries are real democracies because they practice multi-party elections between competing capitalist factions, while failing to ever represent working class or marginalized interests except in the most nominal and symbolic ways.
Ukraine is not being gifted anything. they're expected to pay for all of this "aid," with interest. Down the line this will be used as an excuse to privatize and loot their economy. Oh wait. It already is.