They're not all bad. Their worst element has been an obsession with entryism for many decades, which did net them several wins but ultimately failed to bring about socialism anywhere.
They're currently preaching revolution but what I don't currently understand is what their strategic approach to revolution is intended to be, I haven't seen like a model of what that's supposed to look like or how they're to achieve that as an organisation.
With this said I do have some soft spots for them. Militant were fucking cool back when they were taking over the country opposing the gov and shit until it all fucked up in Liverpool, IMT evolved from them.
Their biggest historic issue is that being trots they've always refused to acknowledge any ML state as socialist, even Cuba they called a "deformed workers state". Not sure on their position on that topic today mind you.
I don't actually think they need to be "stopped" per se either. Movements tend to proceed on many fronts with different approaches appealing to different sections of people, the trots will appeal to one specific crowd of people while the MLs will appeal to another and so on and so forth. The danger comes if infighting between factions threatens to derail the whole movement. And I should add I'm speaking 10-20 years down the line from now, not today, there is barely any movement today but where it will be later is worth thinking of.
Militant were cool as shit as entryists, they essentially brought the entire Labour party to its knees but then they fucked up and it created the opportunities that allowed purging the entire left.
Ever since then the left in the UK has been doing entryism to try and redo it, and Corbyn was the result. Then Starmer undid it. Now there's no appetite for entryism anymore so there's been a shift in gears. Corbyn himself seems to be laying the groundwork for popup soviets under the new name of "people's forums" or whatever. What IMT are up to I don't know. Jez is not from the IMT strain of the left though he's allied with them many times, he's much closer to ML in my opinion, far too friendly to the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela and such projects while also never really said a single bad word about China even during the uighur propaganda.
The IMT crowd are competent. But they're also fucking annoying because you know how trots regularly fight over stupid shit that doesn't matter.
I'm possibly treading close to sectarianism there but I really do think there's no reason anyone needs to fight. I think a mixed strategy is holistically better for the left to reach different segments of people, the only thing to worry about later is bringing all of those segments together.
They're not all bad. Their worst element has been an obsession with entryism for many decades, which did net them several wins but ultimately failed to bring about socialism anywhere.
They're currently preaching revolution but what I don't currently understand is what their strategic approach to revolution is intended to be, I haven't seen like a model of what that's supposed to look like or how they're to achieve that as an organisation.
With this said I do have some soft spots for them. Militant were fucking cool back when they were taking over the country opposing the gov and shit until it all fucked up in Liverpool, IMT evolved from them.
Their biggest historic issue is that being trots they've always refused to acknowledge any ML state as socialist, even Cuba they called a "deformed workers state". Not sure on their position on that topic today mind you.
I don't actually think they need to be "stopped" per se either. Movements tend to proceed on many fronts with different approaches appealing to different sections of people, the trots will appeal to one specific crowd of people while the MLs will appeal to another and so on and so forth. The danger comes if infighting between factions threatens to derail the whole movement. And I should add I'm speaking 10-20 years down the line from now, not today, there is barely any movement today but where it will be later is worth thinking of.
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Militant were cool as shit as entryists, they essentially brought the entire Labour party to its knees but then they fucked up and it created the opportunities that allowed purging the entire left.
Ever since then the left in the UK has been doing entryism to try and redo it, and Corbyn was the result. Then Starmer undid it. Now there's no appetite for entryism anymore so there's been a shift in gears. Corbyn himself seems to be laying the groundwork for popup soviets under the new name of "people's forums" or whatever. What IMT are up to I don't know. Jez is not from the IMT strain of the left though he's allied with them many times, he's much closer to ML in my opinion, far too friendly to the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela and such projects while also never really said a single bad word about China even during the uighur propaganda.
The IMT crowd are competent. But they're also fucking annoying because you know how trots regularly fight over stupid shit that doesn't matter.
I'm possibly treading close to sectarianism there but I really do think there's no reason anyone needs to fight. I think a mixed strategy is holistically better for the left to reach different segments of people, the only thing to worry about later is bringing all of those segments together.
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