Our whole thing is we want wealth equality but also a little bit of revenge for the centuries of exploitation carried out by the imperialists. It does not help our cause when we say that we want to get rid of peoples cars, animal proteins, generational wealth, etc and that we want the people that have been historically exploiting the rest of humanity should be the first to give up the treats. We cannot expect people to accept their own loss of privilege for the “greater good”, physical force would cost way too much, we need to lie. We need to promote a watered down version of leftism to white men because they benefit from capitalism 9/10 times.
I'm not sure that's going to work.
Don't worry, quality of life is going to plummet in the west anyway, then we will be able to reach these kids
If they do a Lebensraum then it might not. If killing a billion people improves their living conditions they will do it. Most right wing politics are irrational but some people have clearly rational reasons for being right wing and they are still evil. The farmer, the business owner, the landlord, the labor aristocrat. We arent talking about small groups of society that we could surgically remove, they might be minorities but if every millionaire took up arms they could probably have a chance against even semi organized left wing militias. We might win against them in an all out war but a class war wouldn’t be a purge. If we tell them their lives are getting better or misdirect their anger away from us when we inevitably alienate them, it’s better than saying we hate them because then they have no reason not to hate us.
I doubt we'll see wages halved or working hours doubled though
Can't say I agree. 6 day week in Greece, cost of living through the roof. No real increase in spending power. Your actual effective wages have probably already halved since the 90s. This is a downward trend and I don't see it ticking up any time soon
Greece shouldn’t be a country. Their economy is shit but it should be restructured into a turkish economic block and a lot of their economic potential should go back to the global south in reparations in perpetuity like all European countries.
leftism is not about mass revenge though, leftism is about throwing off the chains of domination and exploitation, and freeing time of the people to do whatever. (and if we take hickel work, tanking average usa consumption in half, we can still estimate that it wont affect like 60-70 percent of population if it occurs together with socialism)
It would affect everyone on this site since it’s primarily western leftists. Yes the majority of the world would actually benefit but everyone here would have to deal with the minority of people who would not. There are people in the United States who would benefit, but not the majority of the population, let alone the majority of the nonwhite population.
average usa disposable income is like 50k, which majorly comes from two upper quintiles earning like 100k and 200k respectively. Halving total consumption, while eliminating upper quintiles would not harm even average worker. (i thought i have seen disposable income somewhere by quintiles, but lost it). The fabled treats consumption is upper 60-70 america, but the middle quintile, earning 60k a year is not exactly swimming in it.
That is literally not our whole thing. Third worldism isn't inherently anti capitalist, especially when boiled down to this juvenile simplicities. This is the communist equivalent to anprim thought but it's genuinely worse cause at least anprims can piss off and live.in the woods if they so choose. Don't attach yourself to any leftist movement, they either aren't what you are or they're fucking black hammer or whatever. This is some absolute freak brained shit.
A heavy Marxist approach to this would be best. You don't want to push maoism or 3rd worldism in the West if you want a movement.
I don't think we have to know certainly what a sustainable world would look like. There could well be a lot of inefficiency in the capitalist system.... Though it might've irreversibly changed the climate already, and might have such a grip on power that things will go nuclear, I don't think it's necessary to decide what a collectivist future has to look like. It'll certainly be better than the capitalist one.
We are going to have to commit a terror worse than capitalism ever did to achieve communism, and capitalism killed like 2.5 billion.
It's my money and I want it now. Surplus Labor value is your money, that you worked for, gone to your boss, who ain't work for shit. Fuck all that noise, we getting paid today.
Stfu labor aristocrat your job wouldn’t even exist without the exploitation of the global south
This isnt the move. For starters, we'd be trying to coordinate lies across millions of people, and trying to sell these lies to a hostile audience who is already disinclined to believe us.
We'd get called out in a second and it would just come off like we've got a nefarious secret plot to impoverish Americans.
The contradictions are continuing to heighten. Our best messaging is the absolute selfishness and greed of our oppressors, which becomes more and more obvious by
the weekthe decade.
