Yeah but vanilla is much less resource intensive and feels much less pain/emotions than living breathing animals (even though I concede that chickens are asshole despite me being vegan).
On another point plants also breathe and "feel pain" in the form of chemical signals released upon tissue damage. They can even warn nearby plants of herbivory. Is it more ethical to consume plants just because they react to pain differently than us?
But yeah the resource intensity is a good point. I keep chickens in my yard and they seem pretty chill, though.
Is it more ethical to consume plants just because they react to pain differently than us?
Yes. If I could power myself with the sun I would. I can't, so I eat plants, because it objectively causes the less pain.
Watch dominion and stop eating cadaver parts
The "plants can feel" argument is one of the most recurrent and brain-wormed one among carnists and it's exhausting
Stop supporting the systemic torture, rape and killing of sentient beings just for your pleasure. You know you're wrong, you know; either consciously or subconsciously, but the debate has never been complicated. Your "argument" is an attempt - again, conscious or not - to justify the pain you cause to feel OK
So it cycles back to utilitarianism in the end, lol... (/s)
I want to make it clear that I do not support capitalism, and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I was simply indulging myself in my new favorite hobby, Leto II Atreides-esque absurd philosophical tangents.
Personally I view veganism as similar to owning electric vehicles--- attempting to make up for the failures of capitalists. Even if I do not consume meat the capitalists will output vastly more greenhouse gasses than a lifetime of primitivism could possibly cover for. Nothing will change unless we have socialism.
As for morality, I have none to speak of whatsoever given what I've thought of, said, and written in the past and present. However I've come to respect vegan comrades for being able to sacrifice their personal pleasure for the benefit of others. As for me, I'm just a weirdo in normie skin...
Yeah, you could get into a whole philosophical discussion about that but at the end of the day plants are far more passive than living animals, it's just that the cruelty is hidden behind the curtain of capital. Take a calf from her mother to make milk and the mother cries, but take the seeds away from the barley and they'll just grow some more.
Also, vegans gotta eat something, we can't just die
that was quite an interesting exchange btw. I don't think I could've gotten anything similar on, say, reddit without devolving into mindless shit-slinging. Pretty glad to see people on hexbear are as nice as people from lemmygrad.
Yeah but vanilla is much less resource intensive and feels much less pain/emotions than living breathing animals (even though I concede that chickens are asshole despite me being vegan).
On another point plants also breathe and "feel pain" in the form of chemical signals released upon tissue damage. They can even warn nearby plants of herbivory. Is it more ethical to consume plants just because they react to pain differently than us?
But yeah the resource intensity is a good point. I keep chickens in my yard and they seem pretty chill, though.
Yes. If I could power myself with the sun I would. I can't, so I eat plants, because it objectively causes the less pain.
Watch dominion and stop eating cadaver parts
The "plants can feel" argument is one of the most recurrent and brain-wormed one among carnists and it's exhausting
Stop supporting the systemic torture, rape and killing of sentient beings just for your pleasure. You know you're wrong, you know; either consciously or subconsciously, but the debate has never been complicated. Your "argument" is an attempt - again, conscious or not - to justify the pain you cause to feel OK
So it cycles back to utilitarianism in the end, lol... (/s)
I want to make it clear that I do not support capitalism, and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I was simply indulging myself in my new favorite hobby, Leto II Atreides-esque absurd philosophical tangents.
I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh. Still, stop eating animal products, please, your survival don't depend on it, it's weird and monstrous.
I myself also love Dune
And "philosophical tangents" is an appropriate description for the whole book about Leto lmao
Personally I view veganism as similar to owning electric vehicles--- attempting to make up for the failures of capitalists. Even if I do not consume meat the capitalists will output vastly more greenhouse gasses than a lifetime of primitivism could possibly cover for. Nothing will change unless we have socialism.
As for morality, I have none to speak of whatsoever given what I've thought of, said, and written in the past and present. However I've come to respect vegan comrades for being able to sacrifice their personal pleasure for the benefit of others. As for me, I'm just a weirdo in normie skin...
Yeah, you could get into a whole philosophical discussion about that but at the end of the day plants are far more passive than living animals, it's just that the cruelty is hidden behind the curtain of capital. Take a calf from her mother to make milk and the mother cries, but take the seeds away from the barley and they'll just grow some more.
Also, vegans gotta eat something, we can't just die
At the end of the day we must all kunsoom
that was quite an interesting exchange btw. I don't think I could've gotten anything similar on, say, reddit without devolving into mindless shit-slinging. Pretty glad to see people on hexbear are as nice as people from lemmygrad.