I think there's a misunderstanding somewhere but I do know Muslims who give a shit about Jesus's position and doctrine.
As others said, he is considered a prophet, and different Muslims may place more or less importance on him, but by virtue of being a prophet in Islam they can care very much about his position and doctrine. Yes, they don't consider Jesus to be God Incarnate but, outside of the Fourth Gospel, it wasn't Jesus's position either. So they actually mostly accept and believe in the Gospels, particularly the Synoptic ones. Some even believe in the Virgin Birth. Jesus's Divinity is not really relevant to most of his teachings. So you can say, and I know Muslims who say, that they "believe in Jesus."
right but that's all church mosque-nerd shit isn't it? there are hundreds of characters in the stories and your average day to day adherent pays no mind to jeremiah, while an apologist or preacher will cite chapter and verse rather than thinking he was a bullfrog.
and I know Muslims who say, that they "believe in Jesus."
so does bart erhman. i don't think nominally believing in a historical or supporting-actor jesus (and phrasing it that way in the face of hegemonic christianity) puts you in the jesus "fanbase" as is meant by the .world dipshit meme
Nah, I don't think it's nerd shit. You can say that there are hundreds of characters but there are still not many characters who are at the same level of significance or who had as impactful a teaching.
And, yeah, it doesn't obviously put them in the fundamentalist evangelical base that the meme is referring to but that wasn't my point. My point was to reply to what you said about not knowing or hearing about any Muslim who gave a shit about Jesus's position or doctrine, but now you also say that you had already heard about Muslims that do say they believe in Jesus through Bart Erhman so I guess you were being rhetorical.
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I think there's a misunderstanding somewhere but I do know Muslims who give a shit about Jesus's position and doctrine.
As others said, he is considered a prophet, and different Muslims may place more or less importance on him, but by virtue of being a prophet in Islam they can care very much about his position and doctrine. Yes, they don't consider Jesus to be God Incarnate but, outside of the Fourth Gospel, it wasn't Jesus's position either. So they actually mostly accept and believe in the Gospels, particularly the Synoptic ones. Some even believe in the Virgin Birth. Jesus's Divinity is not really relevant to most of his teachings. So you can say, and I know Muslims who say, that they "believe in Jesus."
right but that's all
churchmosque-nerd shit isn't it? there are hundreds of characters in the stories and your average day to day adherent pays no mind to jeremiah, while an apologist or preacher will cite chapter and verse rather than thinking he was a bullfrog.so does bart erhman. i don't think nominally believing in a historical or supporting-actor jesus (and phrasing it that way in the face of hegemonic christianity) puts you in the jesus "fanbase" as is meant by the .world dipshit meme
Nah, I don't think it's nerd shit. You can say that there are hundreds of characters but there are still not many characters who are at the same level of significance or who had as impactful a teaching.
And, yeah, it doesn't obviously put them in the fundamentalist evangelical base that the meme is referring to but that wasn't my point. My point was to reply to what you said about not knowing or hearing about any Muslim who gave a shit about Jesus's position or doctrine, but now you also say that you had already heard about Muslims that do say they believe in Jesus through Bart Erhman so I guess you were being rhetorical.