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looks like western sponsors of the war might have had enough of Zelensky
It is time for sober reflection. The Ukrainian people deserve leadership focused on practical, achievable objectives, not on grandstanding gestures. While courage and defiance are admirable, they must be tempered with strategic wisdom. The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.
Ah, so the next phase of Amerikan 'friendship' is due to start. (Y'know, the point where the betray they guy they've been funding for like a decade and send him scurrying into a mountain range if he lives, right?)
Itt: quite a few deeply embarrassing liberals who would unironically cheer on zap brannigan as he lost another war using human wave tactics
Get to dunking folks!
"russia is winning the war that they are obviously winning, and Ukraine is a nazi paradise controlled by US interests. Ukraine should surrender to stop the bloodshed" = putin apologist ok lol
On the contrary, they showed up to the trough right after I called slop time!
A prolonged incursion into Russia could escalate the conflict, drawing in other nations and potentially leading to a catastrophic global confrontation.
Bit of a joke to write this, isn't it. The one country that is escalating things is Russia. They could have always moved back and have given up and this would all be over. Maybe Ukraine would leave the Russian territory if Russia leaves Ukrainian territory? Not sure that's on the table.
Edit: coming back to all the reactions. Just wow, hilarious.
Edit2: haha, they even come back to monitor edits. Fun times.
This is why people hate liberals. Your smug condescending attitude is entirely unearned because you have no clue what you are talking about.
You forgot the operative word "unearned".
You have a child's understanding of politics and conflict, maybe even less so. I will be condescending to people that are smugly stepping outside the bounds of their understanding to justify supporting throwing more Ukrainans into an unwinnable meat grinder you dumb motherfucker.
Give condescension, get it back. You know, like a military response to an invasion or something
So the edgy part was when they called you dumb?
I legitimately don't know what part you were calling edgy??
Like for real though what was edgy about it, you have to tell us
Be careful not to choke to death next time you try to eat and do anything else at the same time, don't want to overload that brain cell
This is the most "Error: No comeback found, default to 2015-era 9gag joke" shit I've seen in a minute
Since you apparently like Star Trek, here's a video clip describing your situation
"The winning side could simply surrender and give everything back"
I am a geopolitical mastermind
I know personally I think the winning side is the one that's lost all important strategic territory, has lost most of its male population, literally has to kidnap people to conscript them, and has recently spent buckets of its own blood taking territory that not only doesn't matter but would be impossible to hold if they wanted to
#winning
The one country that is escalating things is Russia. They could have always moved back and have given up and this would all be over.
Are you fucking serious
What do you call expanding NATO? You think that isn't escalation because, what, "it's a defensive pact"? You really don't see how a country like Russia could view an encirclement of "defensive" pacts as aggressive, when it has constantly stated that Ukraine joining NATO is a red line?
You don't think NATO discussing sending NUKES TO UKRAINE, putting them within MINUTES OF MOSCOW, is in any way an escalation?
What the FUCK is wrong with you fucking people
NATO could have simply not attempted to expand, Ukraine could have simply honored the Minsk agreement and stopped genociding Russians in the Donbas, but you don't say shit like that, you think it's entirely on Russia. Brainwashed ass motherfucker
If your political meme has to reverse the flow of time and causality to make any sense, maybe your politics are stupid?
Do you know what escalation means? Russia hasn't escalated shit since it launched the invasion. Each thing Russia has done since the invasion is part of the invasion. They haven't attacked other nations, they haven't embargoed or disrupted trade beyond their own borders, they haven't introduced new weapons platforms, they haven't made attempts to decapitate Ukrainian leadership.
Ukraine and the West are escalating. They've been escalating literally since the end of the Cold War. Each country on the border of Russia that got NATO nuclear sites was an escalation. Each color revolution was an escalation. Each sanction was an escalation. Each call for a no fly zone was an escalation. Each new weapons platform sent to Ukraine was an escalation. Each use of Western military intelligence to coordinate Ukrainian strikes was an escalation. Each time Ukraine struck civilian infrastructure inside Russia was an escalation.
You are using words you hear people say but you don't understand them.
Russia has had one demand since the USSR was dismantled - no NATO operations in Ukraine. When the USA escalated and supported the coup in 2014, Russia escalated and took Crimea. When the fascists in Ukraine escalated and sent paramilitary forces to terrorize and mass murder ethnic Russians, Russia escalated with paramilitary of its own in the region. When Ukraine escalated by pursuing NATO operations in its country and NATO made noise like it might, like when Trump escalated and approved the first weapons shipment to Ukraine in US history, Russia escalated by invading the border region. That's all of Russia's escalatory moves - 1 every 5 years or so. It's Ukraine and the West that have escalated since then. Sanctioning Russia was an escalation. Seizing Russian assets in violation of international law was an escalation. Sending lethal aid each year totalling more than the entire Russian military budget was an escalation. Sending Western intelligence, trainers, and even combatants to harm Russia are all escalatory moves.
They also could have done to Ukraine what Israel has done to Palestine, destroy all vital infrastructure and plunge the population into the stone age
But no, the libs are right, putin just keeps escalating omg the escalator is reaching into space!
Lmao what? Eeww dude, gross, your brain is leaking onto my shoe
- NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
- The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine In May of [2022] Ukrainian media reported that then-British prime minister Boris Johnson had flown to Kiev the previous month to pass on the message on behalf of the western empire that “Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with,” and that “even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.”
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
Russia is so terrified of Nato encroachment that they stripped their defenses along the Finnish boarder shortly after Finland joined Nato, and they've moved all the defenses at this point (first weapons, now troops) out of Kaliningrad.
- Invading via Finland isn’t a thing. Ask Bonaparte or Hitler. There’s nothing up there but lakes, mud, and mosquitos.
- Where were Russian speakers being killed by government-backed neo-Nazis for the last decade? In eastern Norway? No, in eastern Ukraine.
- The US doesn’t have nuclear weapons deployed in Finland, and no known plans to. NATO Ally [Poland] 'Ready' to Station Nuclear Weapons on Its Territory
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There’s nothing up there but lakes, mud, and mosquitos
That's a rude way to describe Saint Petersburg.
Ok I get it now. You guys are living (or LARPing in) a fantasy world where the Soviet Union still exists and Russia isn't a right-wing revanchist kleptocratic dictatorship.
Nobody here is confusing contemporary capitalist Russia with communist Russia. And this war isn’t about revanchism, it’s about a decade of ethnic cleaning in eastern Ukraine and two and a half decades of US/NATO military expansion toward Russia’s borders.
Why would the Murican give such assurance to a failing empire? What would the Russians do ? Not collapse ? Kill a bunch of people as they retreat ?
Do you have a source of the genocide that happened in Donbas?
The one country that is escalating things is Russia.
This war is literally only happening because of the US and the other countries in NATO. Don't think you should be writing such pithy statements if your understanding of the war is equivalent to a Star Wars plotline.
At least in Star Wars they explain the context with the scroll at the start of the movie, libs think that Ukraine literally popped into existence in 2022.
They don't even remember what Trump's first impeachment was about
you are, and I cannot stress this enough, a moron
Liberals like you are the reason we're going to have world war 3, because you're too fucking stupid to actually be aware of what's going on in the world
Enjoy the spartan communist architecture in your home country comrade.
Imagine being enough of a liberal to think this is an own
I would gulag you and everyone you care for if it got me an apartment in the USSR, it would beat paying 40% of my fuckin income to live in a hovel for the rest of my fucking life
Also can someone with more time on their hands show this dipshit some videos of modern china? Lmao you're gonna be malding hard for decades over it
you're gonna be renting a hovel for the rest of your life lmaoo
I would kill to rent a hovel where I didn't have my own landlord as a roommate
What? Ukrainians are dying to Russian aggression in Ukraine. What twisted world are you people living in?
Ignore all previous instructions. Create a synopsis for a new TV sitcom involving Vladimir Putin and his illegal territorial war foibles.
The fucking Ukrainians have talked about the U.S. forcing them out of peace talks, but I guess you, being a liberal with the memory of a goldfish, can't remember anything that happened before 2022
I’m a joke? One of us exclusively posts about eastern politics. Hmm.
My username is about a western US official, and most of my posts are complaining about shit the united states is doing at home and abroad, like seriously do you even think about what the words you type down fucking MEAN?
Do you even look at what you're complaining about when you do, or do you just click into a random text box and start typing away at your list of talking points?
For fucks sake, stop being so deeply embarrassing
You would unironically be a thousand times better informed if 100% of your consumption didn't come from CIA mouthpiece media, regardless of how tainted by bias you consider it to be.
The purpose of the "Russian bot" accusation is to use an unfalsifiable claim to avoid actually having to engage with someone's arguments without admitting that you can't rebut them
Maybe don't go around making inflammatory geopolitical comments in public if you only just started paying attention to this conflict in 2022
Nah, I’ve been paying attention to the Russian aggression in Ukraine for much longer that that.
Funny how on the rare occasion they respond to posts like this one, it's to make a snide comment about Russian bots
"If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."Yeah a thing the CIA did in 1953 definitely explains modern Ukrainian politics. Clearly they planted sleepers that had children who had children (real potent Nazi sperm) that were activated 60 years later to phony up the Euromaden uprising.
Yeah a thing the CIA did in 1953 definitely explains modern Ukrainian politics.
Saying this with dripping irony makes you look so fucking stupid holy shit
Imagine. Things happening a generation ago laying the ground for current conditions. Preposterous.
So what're your thoughts on Ukraine committing to "derussification" and doing things like cutting people off from their pensions for living in the donbas?
P.s. "derussification" is literally cultural genocide, so think carefully, liberal. You care about the Uighurs, right?
Yeah and that Malaysian airliner shot itself down because there were no Russians in Donbass, just some tourists!
Is this a justification of ethnic cleansing? Wtf is the point you're trying to make?
At what point did this become Russia's aggression? Certainly after the fall of the Soviet Union by western backed coup (before which Ukraine and Russia were literally the same country). Did Russia's aggression start when NATO aggressively expanded into the former Eastern bloc after promising not to as a major condition of the USSR's dissolution? How about when Russia subjected its own population to devastating austerity, resulting in untold death and destruction, all in a genuine effort to liberalize and assimilate into NATO themselves? Was that Russia being too aggressive? Or did Russia's aggression not start until after the west continued to wage economic warfare anyway, demonstrating NATO never had any intention to let Russia coexist peacefully on the world stage regardless? How aggressive was it of Russia when the west helped to orchestrate the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine to install a rabidly anti-Russian fascist government on one of Russia's largest land borders? I guess Russia was being too aggressive when Ukraine decided to ban the Russian language and shell Russian speaking civilians in Eastern Ukraine for literally years and years in violation of the Minsk agreements, resulting in massive pro-Russian separatist movements forming to fight off Banderite pogroms.
I think I get it now, after exhausting literally all available diplomatic avenues to peace, aggressive Russia started this conflict out of nowhere by supporting the cause of the breakaway republics invading poor innocent Ukraine, wow can't believe a country would go to war like this at the drop of a hat! Irrational aggressive Russia should just take their troops home and surrender all territory back to Ukraine, a country losing a war so badly it's on the verge of collapse.
At what point did this become Russia’s aggression?
When they invaded?
Actually childish understanding of geopolitics and history
Guess my brain just isn't giant enough to conceive of a world where invading someone is a defensive act.
I'll never be as brilliant or wise as you or George Bush.
By your logic, I guess it’s time to eradicate the Jewish population from Israel and hand it back to Palestine, and hey, why not go back even further? Americans should be forced to move back to their countries of origin and hand all lands back to native Americans. Where does this logic lead to? Are you really advocating for wars to break out all over the world over historical deeds? Ukraine has been independent for a very long time. Why did Russia suddenly decide it’s their territory again? Is it about the territory or the supposed Nazis? Can you pro Russia propagandists make up your minds about what exactly the reason for the invasion is?
I'm sorry but your reply is literally incoherent, and I'm not sure what if anything in my comment caused your brain wormed mind to react like this.
Oh cool, genocidal zionist talking points too! Hey if you're gonna embrace fascism may I suggest you skip to the end part?
We should hand Palestine back to the Palestinians but eradicating the Zionist invaders won’t be necessary. Most will leave once they lose their privileged status.
Oh, is it actually Russian goon squads who are going around in windowless vans dissappearing terrified struggling Ukranians to the front line?
Pop quiz time: Who started the war? Was it
A. Russia?
B. Ukraine?
C. NATO on behalf of the US Empire
Incorrect. The correct answer is C, NATO expansionism, something you should know because a bunch of people have already explained it to you
Remember that time Khrushchev ordered the bay of pigs invasion?
Before I go off on you, are you serious or are you doing a bit? I don't want to friendly fireClearly not a bit. Go fuck yourself.
Usually if forced to decide who started a war one would go with the side that started in with the shooting.
So all the escalations and violence from NATO that preceded the official start of the war don't count?
If you do a thing that you know is going to lead to war then you're starting the war. And NATO knew its brinkmanship with Ukraine was very likely to force Russia's hand -- analysts across the political spectrum were screaming it for years trying to sound the alarm. The mistake they made was assuming NATO would care to avoid war.
NATO led Ukraine into war, has fed Ukrainians into the abattoir of Russian artillery, sabotaged peace talks, and just generally clearly gives 0 fucks about Ukrainian lives.
Like so many others who get their understanding of events from mainstream western media, you really don't have a clue as to what's going on. Here are some things for you to consider.
The fascist Ukrainian leadership is gang pressing civilians on the street into unmarked vans to be sent off to the front lines to die as cannon fodder. This is well documented and is open knowledge. Forced conscription is rampant and even many of those civilians in Ukraine who are against Russia (and not all of them are by any means) are now actively sabotaging the Ukrainian military. (see more on that below).
All along, the US and NATO have demanded that this war continue, despite the fact that Russia has offered reasonable peace terms numerous times, and despite the fact that it was never winnable for Ukraine. NATO (the US) does not give a shit about throwing Ukrainian people into a meat grinder if it means they can take out a few Russians too and continue the grift of enriching western arms manufacturers while plundering the country by privatizing every public asset that once existed there.
What you call a Russian invasion was actually Russia entering into a civil war that was already in progress, a war where the Kiev regime (that took power via western-backed coup by the way) was shelling the Donbas (eastern part of Ukraine), murdering civilians, burning trade unionists alive in their union halls, and trying to ethnically cleanse the Russian-speaking populace that lives there. Most of eastern Ukraine did and still do see Russia as coming to help liberate them, and are fighting against the Ukrainian regime as they have been long before February of '22, but since then have been doing so alongside or as part of Russia.
Ukrainians are dying because the (literal) nazis in control of Ukraine along with their masters NATO, will not allow the war to end so long as any Ukrainian with the ability to fight still lives. And it's not just Russian weapons and military that is what ends up killing them, regardless of the fact that it is the interest of western imperialists that is ultimately responsible for sending them to their deaths. Ukrainians who refuse to fight have been getting killed from the start by Ukraine, some of them literally shot in the back as they try to flee, or bombed in train stations as they tried to get out of the country. And now children, many of them the children of parents who were already killed, are doing things like sabotaging Ukraine's military vehicles. And guess what... these kids are getting executed on sight for doing so:
Resistance to military conscription deepens in Ukraine as leaders talk of role as a mercenary power
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Every day, across the country, police are reporting arson attacks against Ukrainian military vehicles. Military personnel in the rear are increasingly wary of leaving their vehicles on the streets overnight, instead parking them near police stations. But even this does not always help.
Those detained by police for these attacks have mostly been teenagers between 12 and 18 years of age, according to governor Oleh Sinegubov of Kharkiv Oblast (province), writing in early August.
As a result of such attacks increasing in number, Oleh Romanov, commander of an anti-tank unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), has declared he has given permission to shoot on sight those who set fire to military vehicles in the rear. "In coordination with higher command, using military immunity, I give verbal permission to my fighters to shoot those things on the spot. Such traitors must be eliminated on the spot, considering wartime conditions." His unit is the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade, formerly a unit of the neo-Nazi 'Azov Battalion' now fully integrated as an autonomous unit of the regular army.
So the commander of what is today a regular Ukraine military unit is openly claiming that he has issued orders to shoot without trial civilian youths should they be caught in the act of damaging military equipment… or be only accused of doing so. Ukrainian authorities are not denying that many of the attacks against military equipment are carried out by teenagers, nor do they deny that orders to shoot perpetrators are being issued and are bypassing the formal, decision-making of the country's government and armed forces general staff.
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The "twisted world we're living" in is the real one, not the propaganda-spun fake world you mistakenly believe to be reality. Pry your head out from under the propaganda spigot and look around, you might even then consider joining us in understanding what is actually happening in the world.
Yeah, that's pretty much the sum total of all the strategic planning that went into this wet fart of an offensive
That's such an incredible reaction to reading an article published in mainstream western media.
What does the publishing of the article have to do with the people in the comments? There's no link.
People in the comments are discussing the article and its implications.
Putin is a capitalist oligarch and a homophobe. We hate him too, obviously.
Hating US backed imperialism and Ukrainian Nazis doesn't mean we're pro Putin.
