France is speedrunning this right now. Any time a liberal claims to be antifascist, ask them to explain why they think fascism exists and where it comes from, materially.
To be fair, if liberals were capable of material analysis then they would no longer be liberals.
What does "material analysis" means in this context? What should I search to know more? I searched the term and only came up with chemistry topics.
Simply put, materialism — as opposed to idealism — is the idea that everything we do and experience as a society (our history, culture, politics, etc) is shaped by the material reality around us, rather than ideas.
"Material analysis" in this case therefore means analysing politics and history through this lens. And it's a fundamental component of socialism/marxism.
Simple diagram of how our material reality shapes our society
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Yogthos is insulting liberals because liberalism is an idealist ideology that always eventually gives way to fascism when a capitalist state is (inevitably) in decay.
Thank you for the explanation. Hopefully I learn something from the reference you linked. I'll watch the video first before reading the literatures.
My original comment is meant to refer to the concept of Materialism, which contains the concepts of Marxist Dialectical and Historical Materialism. Materialism is a "reality-focused" branch of philosophy and analysis, contrasted with Idealism, which is idea-focused.
The connection to liberalism and fascism is because Liberalism is Idealist as opposed to Materialist. The Liberal answer to "where does fascism come from?" Would be "demagogues like Trump rising to power, racism, xenophobia, etc," yet when you ask why those ideas are present or not present, the Liberal cannot answer genuinely.
For Marxists, fascism is a consequence of Capitalism's decline, resulting in the Petty Bourgeois elements of society, ie the "Middle Class," sliding into worse conditions and allying with the Bourgeoisie against the Proletariat. In the Weimar Republic, Capitalism was declining and genuine Communism was gaining steam, with the KPD at the forefront and the SPD representing the moderate Socialists, so fascism gained power as a reaction. Communism and Socialism gained appeal among the Lower Classes while fascism gained power among the Liberals, ie the Middle and Upper Classes.
The other works listed by other commenters are great, but my personal favorite work on the subject is Elementary Principles of Philosophy.
Yes, misspoke. Was refering to the eventual rise of the Nazis, not their period of control. Has been corrected now, thanks.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the topic to me. I appreciate it. I'll try to read the book.
No problem! DM me if you have any questions, or ask in one of the Marxist communities here, on Lemmygrad, or Hexbear.
Necessary reading.
You could start here though.
The latter is probably a little easier to digest/dip your toes in. The former is the answer to your question.Material analysis is an analysis using the method of dialectical materialism and historical materialism.
To put in in a grossly oversimplified way, one of the most important concepts of dialectical materialism is that ideas aren't independent from society. Peoples don't pull ideas out of some Platonist void, their ideas are shaped by and consequences of the society and material conditions they live in.
For example, writing didn't appear just because some guy one day said "what if we drew funny shapes in clay and pretended the shapes are words?". When the first human societies started accumulating reserves of food, lumber, domestic animals and materials and to exchange these with other groups of humans, keeping track of everything was becoming a problem. The first writing systems were invented as a way to solve that problem, they figured out that by associating each resource with a symbol they could easily keep track of what they had and how much of it they had.
The same logic apply to fascism. Fascism didn't appear because some guy woke up one day and decided to be an asshole for no,reason. As the contradictions of capitalism worsened (contradictions are also a concept from dialectical materialism btw), peoples were becoming radicalized against capitalism and the bourgeoisie which created the threat of a potential revolution overthrowing capitalism, in order to protect capitalism from that threat, the petty bourgeoisie tried to hide the class struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat by fabricating a fake struggle against a group of the proletariat (typically a "race") that they could point to to divert attention from the class struggle.
This is what is meant in this context. Since liberalism is the main ideology of capitalism, when the contradictions of capitalism inevitably makes everything break down, liberals will either be radicalized to the left and stop being liberals, or defend capitalism to the end by slipping more and more to the right until they become indistinguishable from fascists.
Great explanation, thanks!
In this instance, the petty bourgeoisie are the Professional Managerial Class?
Yes but not only, small business owners, small landlords and "casual traders" who own some stocks but not enough to be considered rich or have influence in the company the stocks are from are also part of the petty bourgeoisie.
Generally, the petty bourgeoisie are peoples who technically own means of productions and may even have a few employee working for them, but don't make quite enough from that to not have to work anymore. They are constantly under the threat of being out-competed by larger businesses, especially corporations owned by the high bourgeoisie, and becoming a proletarian.
Basically, they are the subclass at the boundary between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. They are better off than the proletariat and own means of production and private property but are under constant threat to lose these privileges and become part of the proletariat, especially in time of crisis.
They are the source of the overwhelming majority of fascists as I've said, because they still benefit from capitalism and generally aspire to become part of the high bourgeoisie even tough they are very much the underdogs. The bourgeois state will intentionally let fascism grow unopposed so that if the bourgeoisie feels their privileges are threatened by working class movements, they can give power to the fascists who will crackdown on the proletariat and protect the capitalist system from being overthrown.
Petty Bourgeoisie are generally Capital Owners that must also work, and are proletarianized in competition with the actual Bourgeoisie. Think shop owners.
I can't tell if this is a liberal or conservative meme, since both sides call the other side fascist.
It's a Communist meme. Liberals are correct when calling conervatives fascists, they just don't realise that Liberalism supports the material conditions that result in fascism.
both sides
Which side are you on, exactly? I kind of doubt you're a leftist if all you see is "liberal vs conservative."Are you one of those pretentious "independents" that wants pretty much everything the conservatives want except you also like legal weed?
that's not true, I bet they want/don't want more than just conservatives, like roades
You can’t tell? Seriously? Conservatives only criticize one specific fascist party because it cynically used socialist in the name. If somebody is critiquing any other form of fascism, with the infrequent outside of WW2 obsessed Americans, exception of imperial Japan) it’s a safe heuristic to assume its form the left assuming no dog whistles are being blown.
Aren't there dedicated communities for political memes? I blocked those for a reason. Why is politics bleeding over to here?
Everything is political, there is no such thing as a non-political meme.
Either way, there's a comm for less political memes
I think like... Rocks aren't political, until communities of humans arrive and start talking about rocks and using language to describe rocks. A rock that humans have never interacted with isn't political, until people start using it as an example of what is and isn't political. Sort of like quantum but for concepts and relationships being perceived by communities of people.
Why did I write this?
Rocks aren’t political
They are engaged in a billions years of unending (if slow) political geology conflict, with solution being games of scissor, rocks and paper, but with constant draws because they are rocks.
Rocks are dialectical when they bash against one another, just as I bash my head against every other leftist.
Dialectically, the wizard class is fearful of the rising cryptid underclass.
Don't bring Zizek into this, let the lava buck skeleton talk.
Soviets discovering Hitler's burned up corpse, 1945, colorized
the wizard class being fearfull of the rise of the burning skeletal deer fascists
Let's hear what a bunch of leftists who think that you can have a functional democracy when everyone thinks exactly the way they do lecture everyone on why political extremisn is a good idea,then start crying when they realize that the only way they can achieve their political paradise is for them to act like the very nazis they claim to despise
"leftists" just want their population to be fairly represented. The system that we have now gives significantly more power to people who live in the right places.
These places are all away from densely populated areas (which are, coincidentally, the areas that are contributing the most to our GDP, also where the highest wages are and thus where the biggest chunk of taxes are collected)
What we are well on our way to, is a tyranny of the minority, and you sound like you're applauding it. As if that is somehow better for everyone than majority rule, or even the stalemate we have now.
Yeah, we want a functional democracy where not everyone, but at least the majority, thinks the same way...and also runs under the direction of a majority. You know, like a democracy should.
What we have now is a dysfunctional democracy...one which runs counter to what the majority are thinking.
