As a kid I assumed no one knew how old these two were because they were mysterious ninjas, but it turns out Tecmo just redacted their ages in the English translation for obvious reasons. It's funny they went with this route instead of just bumping both characters up to 18 years old. I guess Tomonobu Itagaki refused to tamper with the sanctity of his precious DOA canon michael-laugh

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I'm sad to report the PS2 version of DOA2 seems to be one of those early PS2 games that's interlaced to hell and back and will look like a jagged mess no matter how much you upscale it in PCSX2 ooooooooooooooh

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    22 days ago

    The problem with them is that they exist within the context of Dead or Alive, a series that objectifies its female characters and invites players to ogle them to a degree that exceeds the already horny standards of the fighting game genre. Many people consider the series just outright softcore porn because of it.

    Before Marie Rose, every single Dead Or Alive character had basically the same body type, ie bodacious babe. Then Marie Rose comes out and she looks like a middle schooler and acts and talks like a little girl, all the while getting the exact same treatment from the game's camera and sexy outfits as the rest of the cast. (And naturally, she and Honoka got merch like boob mouse pads, so it is very clear she is intended to be jerked off over)

    It's like slipping an image of a child in the middle of your sexy bikini babe calendar

    • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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      22 days ago

      Then Marie Rose comes out and she looks like a middle schooler and acts and talks like a little girl

      The "looks like a middle schooler" is the part that I'm not getting here, because that doesn't come across to me. I just still see a petite adult woman. If anything, I'm a bit annoyed at the way it seems people think that like, adult women all look like Lara Croft, and there's no such thing as skinny ones with small boobs and babyfaces. When like, fashion models exist. But I get y'alls argument about how she was clearly designed with that audience in mind. The games having cutscenes where she acts young isnt something Ive totally been exposed to because Ive not played them and what little I have seen that hasnt really come across. But I've described elsewhere how the upbeat genki girl archtype never read as "acts like a kid" for me either. So I'm honestly not sure still if thatd come across.

      Anyway I agree with your and Ulysses take that theres something going on with Namco adding her and Honoka for horny purposes at the same time, but I have to rely on others with the idea that they read that way to y'all lmao. I would literally never notice on my own.

      • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        22 days ago

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        idk what to tell you, this reads pretty young to me. I'm not saying you can't have diverse body types in fighting games, I'm saying that this character design and her mannerisms in the context of a DOA game give off sus vibes

        If they wanted to add a lady with a petite build to make the cast more diverse, they could have easily done so without also making her this child-like

        • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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          22 days ago

          If they wanted to add a lady with a petite build to make the cast more diverse, they could have easily done so without also making her this child-like

          Yeah, I dont disagree with this part. They definitely could have done more to do that.

          Luckily this weird break in my brain where I dont read that as anything but a petite and youthful adult woman in a costume only applies to animated characters lmao. Otherwise I'd be in need of professional help.

          As is though, yeah, looking at her I can at least see where youre coming from. But its still not how she reads for me.