Eh, I think in-jokes are pretty normal in most communities, and most in-jokes aren't that funny, they just exist to strengthen a social fabric. The content of specific in-jokes can absolutely suck though.
UlyssesT calling out my Australian rise (apparently this is called a high rising terminal, or HRT, an acronym that would not be confusing on hexbo). I think it's more of a "I'm not married to this sentence, please don't kneecap me over it", but 90% of Australian communication is either that or thinly veiled barbs asserting your social position.
Fry and HRT are different things, fry is the low register "croak" that is viewed as negative if girls and young women do it, but positive if older men do it.
HRT comes off as someone saying something but they're not confident about it and are groping around for some sort of approval or backup (for better or worse)
90% of Australian communication is either that or thinly veiled barbs asserting your social position.
Some people reckon HRT (or AQI as below) is exactly that
But far from indicating insecurity, some studies suggest that the AQI is often used by powerful people when speaking to their subordinates (thereby explaining why Australians use it when talking to Britons). The theory is that it's much more acceptable for a boss to ask an employee whether they understand something than vice versa. Linguists also believe the high-rising can serve other purposes. A rising intonation at the end of a statement (giving directions, for example) implicitly asks the listener to confirm that they understand what they've been told. Alternatively, it can be used to stop an anticipated interruption.
So, here, there's a constant jockeying for clout, you can watch a group of guys reinforce their social structure. An interaction might go like this:
Guy 1: I'm interested in topic X, it is new to me but I find it enriching and I hope you do too
Guys 2-5: This is actually terrible, and you're an idiot for thinking this might be good and that we'd enjoy it.
And this happens almost constantly regardless of whether the group actually goes with topic X as an activity.
It's an almost constant stream of belittlement and humiliation from all parties, regardless of whether there is any camaraderie or friendship. It is really exhausting, but I've noticed I've reflexively done it.
A reference to something is not a joke. Monty Python et al isn't funny outside of context.
Amber
I dream of a society where I would be gulliotined as a poster
Eh, I think in-jokes are pretty normal in most communities, and most in-jokes aren't that funny, they just exist to strengthen a social fabric. The content of specific in-jokes can absolutely suck though.
UlyssesT calling out my Australian rise (apparently this is called a high rising terminal, or HRT, an acronym that would not be confusing on hexbo). I think it's more of a "I'm not married to this sentence, please don't kneecap me over it", but 90% of Australian communication is either that or thinly veiled barbs asserting your social position.
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Fry and HRT are different things, fry is the low register "croak" that is viewed as negative if girls and young women do it, but positive if older men do it.
HRT comes off as someone saying something but they're not confident about it and are groping around for some sort of approval or backup (for better or worse)
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I find it kind of attractive every which way, but also yes
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Some people reckon HRT (or AQI as below) is exactly that
That scans
obvs with all these language and culture things, nothing is one specific thing
could we get some examples plz
So, here, there's a constant jockeying for clout, you can watch a group of guys reinforce their social structure. An interaction might go like this:
Guy 1: I'm interested in topic X, it is new to me but I find it enriching and I hope you do too Guys 2-5: This is actually terrible, and you're an idiot for thinking this might be good and that we'd enjoy it. And this happens almost constantly regardless of whether the group actually goes with topic X as an activity.
It's an almost constant stream of belittlement and humiliation from all parties, regardless of whether there is any camaraderie or friendship. It is really exhausting, but I've noticed I've reflexively done it.
Thank you for the clear explanation, this is something I have observed too. Very antisocial culture especially amongst men.
I'm sure I could think of a specific example, but my brain is fried
Amber.
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