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    because realistically speaking only very few people relative to everyone else will even know what a VPN is.

    You spend too much time talking to techies who think they're super special people who are the only ones smart enough to touch computers. Everyone knows how to use a VPN. A working VPN is was the first result on Baidu when I tried to use one last time. Boomers who are afraid to update their computer know what Tor is. And even besides that there are plenty of times I've seen articles from western news media posted in China, usually consumed by the local libs. Who do you think the NYT Chinese version is for? Chinese diaspora don't read the NYT enough to justify them having a Chinese version of like half their articles, it's for Mainland Chinese liberals. Chinese people know about and complain about DW, BBC, NHK, CNN etc because we can read the articles and see the shit they pull (for example a big meme is when DW published some article about China and the title said "human fork" instead of "human rights" in Chinese, or the time the BBC published an ominous photo of the WIV (with a grey filter) and another photo of the BBC photographer having to to lay in a ditch to take the photo came out).

    Ultimately in the 21st century access to information doesn't matter as much as having a population that actually is capable of consuming information. In the west people are trained to ignore everything that goes against the narrative as propaganda. The average westerner can not name a single Chinese social media site or news publication. They cry shill and propaganda followed by some racial slurs any time they encounter Chinese people online.

    I have to say, from what I understand it's the nations themselves that petition US bases

    Okinawa/Ryukyu has regular protests against US military bases. The people there do not want a US military base. It's so bad I even saw a Ryukyu nationalists cringily try to cozy up to China.

    this is probably a really intense issue here but I honestly just don't really agree... I don't think a country is entitled to invade land just because it previously held it

    You do realize that Taiwan officially considers itself the "Republic of China" and the legitimate government of not just China but also Mongolia right? Even Tsai Ing-Wen calls herself Chinese when giving campaign speeches. The whole Taiwanese identity thing is an idpol ruse by the DPP. Those same "taiwanese" will go on long rants about how they're the only real Chinese and all mainlanders are "yellow russians" right after yelling slurs about various northern Chinese minorities/Taiwanese aboriginals. If you can read Chinese they're all over social media. This also ironically leads to the 2% aboriginal Taiwanese population voting for the pro-China party. The funny thing is these people drop the act immediately when they sense they're about to get hatecrimed abroad. I personally knew a guy who went out of his way to call himself Taiwanese and make fun of mainlanders until Asian hate crimes started happening, then he started posting about how he was Chinese and had Chinese flags all over his social media.

    This is in contrast to places like Singapore, which are majority ethnically Chinese but have an actual legitimate national identity, instead of whatever crazy shit the DPP does. Again if you can read Chinese you can easily see the difference between well adjusted Singaporean vs. Deranged DPP supporters on social media(look up 1450 army, every liberal accusation is an admission of guilt).

    because realistically speaking only very few people relative to everyone else will even know what a VPN is.

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      • oregoncom [he/him]
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        Sorry for the misgendering.

        people living in taiwan don't want to be a part of china

        About half of them vote for the pro-reunification party(KMT), the other half are the Chinese equivalent of white supremacists(DPP) who champion the Taiwanese identity stuff. They don't legitimately believe in Taiwanese identity, they hate the mainland because there's too many ethnic minorities/ the culture and language is "tainted" by ethnic minorities. You act as though thinking they are the real China is some facade, it's not, that is their core belief, especially the ones who talk loudly about Taiwanese identity because the whole point is that Taiwanese are the real Chinese and everyone else is impure.

        I'm sorry but I honestly don't care for the DPP's Southern Han Supremacist bullshit. I personally believe peaceful reunification is inevitable as the KMT gain power again, but it is immoral to allow the DPP to remain in power. I would hope that if there was a white supremacist confederate holdout next to America that Americans would be against its existence.

        Nobody really cares about land. That's some weird projection. Mongolia used to be a part of China but the only ones who want to invade it are the Taiwanese(guess why, hint hint.). It's about having a bunch of weirdo fascists who believe they're the rightful inheritors of China and that everyone else is culturally/ethnically impure. The DPP could be floating in a shipping container in the middle of the ocean and it would be the same calculus.

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            The KMT has pivoted to pro-reunification once it became clear they wouldn't be able to retake the mainland. Obviously a party that calls itself the "Chinese Nationalist Party" are Chinese first and anti-communist second. The irony is that if they were able to reign in the racist tendencies of the DPP most mainlanders wouldn't care about reunification in the first place.