• jackmarxist [any]
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    1 year ago

    4.5 Million but yeah, glad that the USA and the UK got sanctioned after leading such a genocidal war. This restores my faith in the rules based order.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Sorry, you're right. In the absence of specific genocidal intent, the US and UK are only guilty of crimes against humanity, the crime of aggression, and various sundry war crimes.

        • astral_avocado@programming.dev
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          1 year ago

          Yes, correct. Now Saddam Hussein on the other hand..

          Edit: oh you're one of the hexbear people, jesus you people are insufferable

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I agree with you and you resort to whataboutism in response. Somehow I'm the insufferable one?

            Yikes.

            • astral_avocado@programming.dev
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              1 year ago

              Saddam Hussein didn't literally genocide kurdish people? Not saying that justifies a country halfway across the world to brutally occupy them, but it's not like that didn't happen.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Holy fucking shit.

                After hand wringing the word in context of the US killing millions of people.

                And we're insufferable.

                • astral_avocado@programming.dev
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                  1 year ago

                  In the former instance there was an actual concerted effort to specifically murder people of a certain minority. In the latter there was a misguided attempt to squash an insurgency and build a new government at all costs. This is documented history and I can only assume you've been drooling on some communist furry subs for the past decade and just left adolescence. You can't just change word's definitions for your own childish deranged goals.

                  • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    The fucking nerve of you to invoke the idea of 'documented history' when you're as ignorant as a fucking toddler about that very history is absolutely fucking infuriating. And for someone who puts so much goddamned effort into your affectation of intelligence you have absolutely no fucking critical thinking. The US, this hapless buffoon of a country. Accidentally murdering several million people over the course of three decades. Whoopsie! I deleted the only pharmaceutical factory in the region. D'oh! I bombed a baby food factory and all the civilian power and water infrastructure! How does this keep happening??

                    And the fucking chauvinism. It's genocide when our enemy uses chemical weapons during wartime in an area with a lot of insurgent fighting (compare us killing another several million people in Vietnam with our own chemical weapons for the exact same reasons except deliberately targeting their food supply but that's not considered a genocide somehow). They killed about 3k people but they did it with animal bloodlust. But we're good. We killed A THOUSAND TIMES THAT MANY PEOPLE but with good intentions. Promise.

                    People like you are mathematical proof that the west needs to be fucking destroyed.

                  • Flaps [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    You see the double standard you're using here, right? Awful things done by natos geopolitical enemies are genocides, war crimes,... Yet when nato does it it's at most a misguided atempt at doing the right thing?

              • Fuckass
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                1 year ago

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                  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                    1 year ago

                    It's because you've been a petulant, condescending little fancylad while morshupls your watering down of the term genocide and accusing the people with actual documentation on their side of doing what you're doing. To paraphrase someone else, you guys have your Wrong and Smug sliders completely maxed out, to the point where you (not you personally, at least yet) quickly get solipsistic and start dehumaizing people with different opinions as bots as soon as the notion that your views are obviously correct, good and widespread is even slightly challenged.

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                    1 year ago

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          • Schooner@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            Yeah killing millions of people was totally worth getting one man!

            Now let's bomb Washington DC to rubble and kill your family so we can get to Bush, the even bigger war criminal.

              • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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                1 year ago

                Nah you just pearl clutched when we called Western Powers bad names.

                I'm loosely in favor of restricting the use of the word genocide to when it's definitionally appropriate myself, but that's in the context of effective communication and clarity. So long as "genocide" is going to be used exclusively to refer to US State Department desginated enemies only, then it's perfectly reasonable to liken the US/France/UK's horrific foreign interventions genocide as well. Western interventions, both formal and clandestine, have killed many more than anyone else those imperialist fucks have accused of the word, so in the interest of showing just how absurd their usage is yes, we should and can call Western powers genocidal too.

        • astral_avocado@programming.dev
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          1 year ago

          Thank you for your well informed comment, the whole thing was indeed a clusterfuck and you know more than me. What are you doing on that godforsaken instance?

          • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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            1 year ago

            Post shit get hit. We welcome informed folks, well meaning curious questions, and fellow travelers with open arms. Sanctimonious liberals get the hog.

      • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Also you: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/1081955

        When you say it like that sure, except they also deny the Uyghur genocide and ignore the fact that China has their internet walled off and heavily censored/policed.

        Basically they’re so pro-communism that they looped back around and are now pro-fascists and drink the Kool aid. Not to mention the fact that China is only communist in name lol

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          1 year ago

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        • astral_avocado@programming.dev
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          1 year ago

          Yes this is me, thank you for advertising my accurate comment. China is indeed targeting and concentrating minorities into camps. Words have meanings.

          • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            Does not seem like words have meanings. All the nuance in your tank is reserved for the constant America-led warmongering in the middle east with a death toll in millions, many more displaced, and known torture sites like Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and god known how many more black sites. Meanwhile the Uyghur are unequivocally being genocided despite ZERO CONFIRMED CASUALTIES four years into the news cycle. So your litmus test for genocide seems to be us-foreign-policy despite the emphasis on words having meaning.

            • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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              1 year ago

              astral_avacado said elsewhere that the Iraq Invasion was just "misguided" so its definitely a case of us-foreign-policy with how they decide what is and isn't a genocide.

          • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Calling that genocide is holocaust denial.

            Stop hiding behind pathetic labels, you are in bed with fascists.

          • Flinch [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The UN disagrees with you

            https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf