Like I know you hate Sword Art Online, and let me say that SAO is comparatively quaint and wholesome and well paced and well thought out next to the absolute pile of flaming garbage that is Made in Abyss. SAO is poorly written slop that's good enough that it can be laughed at for how bad it still is (and its spinoff series that was written by an entirely different author is actually almost good although still bad and problematic). Made in Abyss is just an abomination that should not exist.
With what I read about it alone I truly don't understand why anyone, here of all places, would make excuses for and run interference for Made in Abyss. I can't even bring myself to be angry about that as much as just... sad. Well, sad and disgusted. It's sold as entertainment value, and clearly its defenders are entertained, which makes me have questions about those entertained people.
It's worse. Like people joke about psychic damage or media haunting them in kind of an exaggerated way or like an overly dramatic way of describing the emotional impact something had, but this genuinely gave me psychic damage and it genuinely haunts me. Not in an "oh it had such an impact, it was so sad/scary/whatever" kind of way, just a "this is gross and bad and dumb and I hate the author and everyone who enables him and also people who like this series" way that makes me angry just thinking about it.
I saw a link in this thread to a year old review of that hog slop, and having read it, I am baffled, disturbed, and deeply disappointed that even that got excuses made for it from some Hexbears back then.
I never saw it myself, and I never want to, especially after what I already read. Deriving entertainment value from that compels me to question the character of anyone making excuses for it, self-described leftist or not.
but this genuinely gave me psychic damage and it genuinely haunts me
I had a similar experience to each and every attempt for treat hogs in my local area (coworkers too, unfortunately) to show me the "good parts" of Game of Thrones. Some of what I saw still makes me feel recurring disgust and sadness when I realize how many millions of people gobbled it up and even proselytized about how great it was ("DAE RED WEDDING?!" ) for like a decade. I felt like being shown that "disabled zombie" animation when he was told, with much enthusiasm, how badly they wanted to replace artists entirely with more of that.
Similar deal with pretty much anything Justin Roiland, who I can safely assume was the kind of target consumer for Made in Abyss, too, considering his "children's special" involving pretty much nothing but gory violence and (of course) SV against children as a "joke."
I saw a link in this thread to a year old review of that hog slop
Wasn't that me linking my old review? The "Made in Abyss is the worst thing ever made" thread?
I am baffled, disturbed, and deeply disappointed that even that got excuses made for it from some Hexbears back then.
Some of the deleted comments in that thread were people arguing in its favor. I still see people recommend it now and then and I'm always quick to jump on them for it.
Like just to contextualize this, I like grindhouse as a genre. I like awful slop as a spectacle. I watched (pirated) all of SAO and enjoyed riffing on how bad so much of it was. I sat through (pirated) all of Overlord and found it something that's awful in a way that's fun to mock and hate because as gross and bad as it is it's still in the tier where you can point at it and say "lmao wtf, that's awful" instead of just feeling sick. I watched (pirated) those shitty Piranha reboots that literally included jokes about breast sizes in their titles and thought they were entertainingly dumb, gratuitous movies. I enjoyed (pirated) the Sci-Fi channel original series Blood Drive about a death race with cars that are powered by human blood for some reason. I think Hellsing Ultimate is actually kind of good if also dumb and very gratuitous, as in lingering on graphically killing literal Nazis so long that it starts to get kind of boring and repetitive, which is a concept one wouldn't think possible but they manage it somehow. And Made in Abyss actually haunts me with how awful and also just sort of shit it is.
Although that said, I have seen short blurbs about things that might rival it for being unwatchably awful that I'm never going to bother with because they also look boring and gross. Live everything I've heard about Peter Grill for example makes me think two things: that it may actually rival Made in Abyss in repulsiveness and also . Shield Hero and Redo of Healer are also in the "maybe this is as bad, but I don't feel like confirming it" dumpster.
I had a similar experience to each and every attempt for treat hogs in my local area (coworkers too, unfortunately) to show me the "good parts" of Game of Thrones.
I hate the GoT showrunners and all their OC, and even the early seasons I thought were decent when I first saw them looked cheap and mid when I revisited them a few years later, and I want to stress that even that is nowhere near how bad this is, that's how bad it is.
Wasn't that me linking my old review? The "Made in Abyss is the worst thing ever made" thread?
I think it was you, yes, but I didn't want to on the spot assume that it was you without checking first.
Some of the deleted comments in that thread were people arguing in its favor.
I saw shit like that for Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer too, especially "Thermian Arguments" about how slavery/genocide are okay because the author said so, turn off your brain, let people enjoy things, I am special and immune to propaganda and anyone who isn't deserves whatever they get, stop being such a joyless scold, To Each Their Own(tm).
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Like just to contextualize this, I like grindhouse as a genre. I like awful slop as a spectacle. I watched (pirated) all of SAO and enjoyed riffing on how bad so much of it was. I sat through (pirated) all of Overlord and found it something that's awful in a way that's fun to mock and hate because as gross and bad as it is it's still in the tier where you can point at it and say "lmao wtf, that's awful" instead of just feeling sick. I watched (pirated) those shitty Piranha reboots that literally included jokes about breast sizes in their titles and thought they were entertainingly dumb, gratuitous movies. I enjoyed (pirated) the Sci-Fi channel original series Blood Drive about a death race with cars that are powered by human blood for some reason. I think Hellsing Ultimate is actually kind of good if also dumb and very gratuitous, as in lingering on graphically killing literal Nazis so long that it starts to get kind of boring and repetitive, which is a concept one wouldn't think possible but they manage it somehow. And Made in Abyss actually haunts me with how awful and also just sort of shit it is.
I have some guilty pleasures of my own (hard not to when enjoying MST3K) and I totally feel you there.
I hate the GoT showrunners and all their OC, and even the early seasons I thought were decent when I first saw them looked cheap and mid when I revisited them a few years later, and I want to stress that even that is nowhere near how bad this is, that's how bad it is.
I will be pleased to never have to watch it. I am glad in some ways that pop culture is so fragmented now, because there may never be another Game of Thrones type monolithic experience that all the treat hogs expect everyone else to gobble up like that again.
I couldn't make it through the first episode of either of these. They're fucking terrible. Anyone who likes Goblin Slayer I'm assuming is just a contrarian. Shield Hero is pure isekai waifu harem slop. They exist solely to sell merch to Japanese nationalists. Attack on Titan is similar.
I couldn't make it through the first episode of either of these.
I couldn't make it past the first major scene of Goblin Slayer, and to disgusting treat hogs that made excuses for it, it was both something to to and some grand and permanent justification for funny genocide in the show forever after.
Like I know you hate Sword Art Online, and let me say that SAO is comparatively quaint and wholesome and well paced and well thought out next to the absolute pile of flaming garbage that is Made in Abyss. SAO is poorly written slop that's good enough that it can be laughed at for how bad it still is (and its spinoff series that was written by an entirely different author is actually almost good although still bad and problematic). Made in Abyss is just an abomination that should not exist.
With what I read about it alone I truly don't understand why anyone, here of all places, would make excuses for and run interference for Made in Abyss. I can't even bring myself to be angry about that as much as just... sad. Well, sad and disgusted. It's sold as entertainment value, and clearly its defenders are entertained, which makes me have questions about those entertained people.
It's worse. Like people joke about psychic damage or media haunting them in kind of an exaggerated way or like an overly dramatic way of describing the emotional impact something had, but this genuinely gave me psychic damage and it genuinely haunts me. Not in an "oh it had such an impact, it was so sad/scary/whatever" kind of way, just a "this is gross and bad and dumb and I hate the author and everyone who enables him and also people who like this series" way that makes me angry just thinking about it.
I saw a link in this thread to a year old review of that hog slop, and having read it, I am baffled, disturbed, and deeply disappointed that even that got excuses made for it from some Hexbears back then.
I never saw it myself, and I never want to, especially after what I already read. Deriving entertainment value from that compels me to question the character of anyone making excuses for it, self-described leftist or not.
I had a similar experience to each and every attempt for treat hogs in my local area (coworkers too, unfortunately) to show me the "good parts" of Game of Thrones. Some of what I saw still makes me feel recurring disgust and sadness when I realize how many millions of people gobbled it up and even proselytized about how great it was ("DAE RED WEDDING?!"
) for like a decade. I felt like 
being shown that "disabled zombie" animation when he was told, with much enthusiasm, how badly they wanted to replace artists entirely with more of that.
Similar deal with pretty much anything Justin Roiland, who I can safely assume was the kind of target consumer for Made in Abyss, too, considering his "children's special" involving pretty much nothing but gory violence and (of course) SV against children as a "joke."
Wasn't that me linking my old review? The "Made in Abyss is the worst thing ever made" thread?
Some of the deleted comments in that thread were people arguing in its favor. I still see people recommend it now and then and I'm always quick to jump on them for it.
Like just to contextualize this, I like grindhouse as a genre. I like awful slop as a spectacle. I watched (pirated) all of SAO and enjoyed riffing on how bad so much of it was. I sat through (pirated) all of Overlord and found it something that's awful in a way that's fun to mock and hate because as gross and bad as it is it's still in the tier where you can point at it and say "lmao wtf, that's awful" instead of just feeling sick. I watched (pirated) those shitty Piranha reboots that literally included jokes about breast sizes in their titles and thought they were entertainingly dumb, gratuitous movies. I enjoyed (pirated) the Sci-Fi channel original series Blood Drive about a death race with cars that are powered by human blood for some reason. I think Hellsing Ultimate is actually kind of good if also dumb and very gratuitous, as in lingering on graphically killing literal Nazis so long that it starts to get kind of boring and repetitive, which is a concept one wouldn't think possible but they manage it somehow. And Made in Abyss actually haunts me with how awful and also just sort of shit it is.
Although that said, I have seen short blurbs about things that might rival it for being unwatchably awful that I'm never going to bother with because they also look boring and gross. Live everything I've heard about Peter Grill for example makes me think two things: that it may actually rival Made in Abyss in repulsiveness and also
. Shield Hero and Redo of Healer are also in the "maybe this is as bad, but I don't feel like confirming it" dumpster.
I hate the GoT showrunners and all their OC, and even the early seasons I thought were decent when I first saw them looked cheap and mid when I revisited them a few years later, and I want to stress that even that is nowhere near how bad this is, that's how bad it is.
I think it was you, yes, but I didn't want to on the spot assume that it was you without checking first.
I saw shit like that for Shield Hero and Goblin Slayer too, especially "Thermian Arguments" about how slavery/genocide are okay because the author said so, turn off your brain, let people enjoy things, I am special and immune to propaganda and anyone who isn't deserves whatever they get, stop being such a joyless scold, To Each Their Own(tm).
I have some guilty pleasures of my own (hard not to when enjoying MST3K) and I totally feel you there.
I will be pleased to never have to watch it. I am glad in some ways that pop culture is so fragmented now, because there may never be another Game of Thrones type monolithic experience that all the treat hogs expect everyone else to gobble up like that again.
I couldn't make it through the first episode of either of these. They're fucking terrible. Anyone who likes Goblin Slayer I'm assuming is just a contrarian. Shield Hero is pure isekai waifu harem slop. They exist solely to sell merch to Japanese nationalists. Attack on Titan is similar.
I couldn't make it past the first major scene of Goblin Slayer, and to disgusting treat hogs that made excuses for it, it was both something to
to and some grand and permanent justification for funny genocide in the show forever after. 