China campits exist. There are fantastic sources of information about China who are not even remotely Marxist and just support China for whatever reason. I am wondering what percentage of China supporters do you think that applies to?

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    Does it matter? Whatever someone's reasons are for supporting China, the important thing is that they do. Results are what matter. The fact that millions of people around the world have a positive view of a prospering socialist state that is currently the biggest threat to the global imperialist hegemony is conducive to our goals as Marxist-Leninists and anti-imperialists.

    In general i care less about why someone does something and more that they do it.

    • SadArtemis🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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      This, 100%. Hell, I don't care if someone gets some of the facts wrong about China (though I'd try to correct them) if they can get the simple understanding- that China is presenting a better system, that China and BRICS is presenting a viable peace and prosperity for the world, that it genuinely is "the west" (the deranged, corrupt, and warmongering hegemonic regimes of the west) vs. "the rest" (of humanity, of all those with even the slightest speck of decency in them).

      People don't need to be a Marxist-Leninist to understand this. Just like people don't need to be a Marxist-Leninist to realize that genocide is an unacceptable evil (or to understand after looking at the facts just how ridiculous and hypocritical the west's slander against China is in this regard), that the present world system is incredibly unequal and corrupt, that people have their basic material needs (and China is meeting those needs to such an extent that it should serve as a lesson to anyone with basic sense), and that the western elites' march towards WW3 trying to maintain world hegemony is a terrible (and utterly inhumane) idea.

    • Soviet Entropy@lemmygrad.ml
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      I agree with your conclusion very, very much.

      This wasn't meant to call anyone out but just genuine curiosity. Some of the sources I get news about China from are definitely not supporting China for any reason other than it's not the US. (Inside China Business is a great channel but he literaly thinks China is being rewarded by God for being the largest Christian nation and America is being punished for abandoning the faith).

      • Munrock ☭@lemmygrad.ml
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        Some of the sources I get news about China from are definitely not supporting China for any reason other than it’s not the US.

        Is it that, or are they supporting China because it's not the US and it's playing an instrumental role in undermining US domination of global south countries?

        What I mean to say is if those channels understand that the US is evil, then they have a commendable reason for supporting China.

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        he literaly thinks China is being rewarded by God [...] and America is being punished

        The fact is that China is on a rapid upward trajectory and the US empire on the opposite. People of all kinds of ideological inclinations and world views (except perhaps for a few deeply delusional diehard liberals) can see this.

        It is natural to look for explanations when faced with profound changes in the world, and when someone lacks a materialist understanding of reality but is instead deep in the grasp of idealist magical thinking, they come up with all kinds of kooky ideas. The takeaway here is that even people who are as far removed from reality as these weirdos can see which way the wind is blowing. I take that as a very good sign.

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        That’s no reason not to post Inside China Business’/Kevin Walmsley’s videos, though, right? We post all sorts of stuff from all sorts of liberals, but we’re not endorsing their liberalism.

        Now I wonder if your saying “this entire site is filled with ultras, third-worldists, and campists” wasn’t based on a misconceived notion that to post content from someone is to subscribe to or endorse their worldview.

        • Soviet Entropy@lemmygrad.ml
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          i watch kevin walmsley for the info he provides. i (and everyone else) can think for themselves haha. the info he shares is good but his conclusions and biases are wrong and can easily just be ignored.

          as for my other comment, i do still believe that and i have actual evidence of it now.