Where they spend 5 minutes talking about the political news. Than spend an hour plus dissecting some shit movie/show no one cares about.

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      4 years ago

      If that's true then its a psy op that helped bring me to being an ML lol; a podcast that led us here, omg have I been COINTELPRO'd? :shocked-pikachu:

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        In all honesty. It's cuz will sucks ass. His wau more interested in talking about movies than the current state of trying to figure a way to mobilize people.

            • cpfhornet [she/her,comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Eh, he can be a little too left-com for me, but he's certainly well informed historically, I just feel like he's a bit too nihilistic about the capabilities of proletarian movements of today

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                His nihlism is becuase he studies history. I have the same problem. You end up realizing that human society never corrects before disasters even if they know it's coming.

                • cpfhornet [she/her,comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yes, but out of these disasters people still remain, and these people are left to pick up the pieces or start anew. Whether or not there will even be a humanity to progress through 100 years from now is debatable but also irrelevant. If we're not organizing and treating situations like there's even a chance for rebuilding then we're only cementing our doom and forever subjugation. This applies even in the face of climate disaster and the fascist scramble that resulted from it. Any voice telling everyone that its already doomed is essentially confirming the suspicions of reactionary christians who are merely awaiting rapture. The entire point of our movement is getting people to realize that we need to act, and be an active and cooperative people if we have any chance of making it through the next couple centuries. Saying we're fucked now is just giving up. Yes, its scary and looks very bleak, but what good is defeatism of the very movements we support?

                  • Papanurgel [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Some of the disasters no. No one is left the whole society collapses and scatters.

                    But yeah i agree it's best to try to stop it. But you can't expect nihilist to be the leaders of a movement today really doesn't exist right now. I think that is Matt's main point. That the left is so scattered that their is no center point to launch from.

                • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Plenty of people study history and don't become so nihilistic so I don't think it's just that. I find it hard to imagine Christman in an organiser context, which reminds me of a lot of my academic left-comm type friends who are super well read but just intractably cynical.

                  • cpfhornet [she/her,comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    Totally agree. Its the form of Marxism you'll find in academies and universities, one detoothed of real power.