I know I'm not in trouble, but I do feel bad that I'm probably the reason blahaj.zone will defederate with hexbear. I just thought they had an insane take on what hexbear was and posted it in the_dunk_tank. I included a link because I am not a 
but also I am a and so are all of you and I'm sorry for that as well.
lol, i saw that. they were describing this place as an alt right instance and believed our pronouns were all ironic.
definitely feeds into the trope that liberals are baffled by positions outside the window of their indoctrination and the first impulse of many is to try to cram into one of the two slots that exist in their worldview.
"post-colonial theory"
"is this right wing propaganda?"They took issue specifically with "Death to NATO" and when people explained that meant the dismantling of NATO, they changed it to "Death to People of NATO" which isn't even a thing!
At that point, they're just operating in bad faith. If they insist on not sitting in the cool kids' table, that's on them. We shouldn't waste any more time in coddling their feelings.
I’ve been arguing with a user on .world about how hexbear is not transphobic and the pronouns aren’t “blatant mockery of trans people”. When I told them they were wrong, they said hexbear is “typical online terrorists”, putting the pronouns then going around posting “racist, bigoted” stuff. I’m waiting for proof of such posts. 😋
I keep hearing the "racist bigoted" line and I just don't get it. Hexbear is the most strict online community I've been in when it comes to that sort of thing. Our users are open and welcoming, our mods are lethal.
Some of them a lying. Some of them think "anglos" or
are racism against whitey. I'm surprised we haven't had our burning flag emojis as evidence of anti-Swiss 
bigotry or whatever.I think it is just the
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Libs have very thin skin after all, easy to scratch.
Yea, I’m not sure where it’s coming from because I haven’t seen it. I also linked to the Hexbear code of conduct and highlighted the first two rules.
Tbh, I was not sure about Hexbear when federation started, but I never got the impression that anyone was bigoted or racist. Like there’s literally all the pride hexbear icons, right?
I feel like these comments are either intentionally malicious or intentionally ignorant assumptions.
I honestly don't know, but you might be able to ask the person who requested it here https://hexbear.net/post/344477
I think that one was added in the last couple days or so, so no idea really
Sorry to off-topic interject here, but due to the flurry of whatever you posted in your comment, I figured it might be an ok place to ask.
I’ve been interacting with hexbear a decent amount since y’all federated, and the images don’t work on my app (for example whatever you posted above came through for me as a series of partial image slices stacked on top of each other, and in-line gifs/images make the comment they are in completely unreadable).
Do any of you use apps/pwas (I know hexbear was here before they really existed, so might be a long shot), and if so, which ones actually display hexbear content properly?
Sorry, I don't use an app. I just use the Firefox app feature of making a website into a dedicated app.
Do other instances display images properly? I think the way our emotes are supposed to work like inline images do across lemmy, but I might be wrong.
They do, in that there’s an image link, but the content is properly shifted around it so it can be read.
Hexbear content also gives the image link (tho your comment above seems to have combined them all into one link), but the comment around it gets partially hidden and garbled. I’ve heard your gifs are really big, that may be why?
Either way, this app doesn’t have direct messaging and doesn’t handle a lot of stuff well, like multiple image posts, so looking for other options. Since hex seems to be the most problematic presently (no offense intended, ofc 😜) I figured I’d start with something that works for y’all, if I can find it.
Hopefully this is something that gets fixed by the pull request around properly sizing instance emotes.
Woof, I downloaded -every iOS app- (plus the pwa I was using before the apps were available) and loaded your comment to see if it worked and I understand now what people mean when they say your images are really big 😅 it took a lot of scrolling to get back to this. So yeah, hopefully that gets fixed lol
On a side note, because I asked and now have something of an answer, and I’m a good information citizen:
Lemmios and thunder seem to… work…. Slightly better… I can read the content around the giant pics, so that’s a drastic improvement. Of the two, thunder is more reasonably sized, so I’ll be using that for a while. (Voyager and wefwef make each image a unique text link, but don’t render them, Mlem gives a broken link indicator, and I couldn’t figure out how to get back here on liftoff, so dud anyway. I also tried bean, but it just tried indefinitely to load them, and the app I was getting garble with was memmy)
That's good to know! Thunder is the only one I've briefly tried out and it seemed nice, but I immediately missed the color scheme of hexbear lol. I got too used to it.
Yes, I’m on Memmy too and many hexbear comments are unreadable due to emote images preview/links going on top of the text. I’m going to try Thunder, thanks for asking the question and doing the research!!
Oh, hey, I’m on Thunder and it’s much better! Thanks again!
I’m glad to hear!
I’ve requested the Thunder dev add instance information for comments as well, so you can more easily see -who- you are interacting with (niche subs like hex tell you a ton) which is the only thing it doesn’t have that I neeeeeeeeed. Feel free to go add your support to it if you like ;)
they render okay on both jerboa and liftoff for me, though still have issues scaling emotes atm
some people here definitely use mobile apps but I'm not one of them... once the PR goes through to fix federated emoji CSS that our devs put together then the standard web UI should show them correctly on any instance, but until then they're going to be big.
If your app is showing them not just big but also mangled like you describe you may want to put in a bug report with the developer though.
I have put in a report, but this app handles other things very poorly as well and doesn’t have direct messages at all, so I’m looking for a change anyway :)
I assume they were mangled because there were so many in a row (it looked like a lot of them anyway), which caused the app to create a single image link for them rather than trying to render them.
I have put in a report, but this app handles other things very poorly as well and doesn’t have direct messages at all, so I’m looking for a change anyway :)
Lol you sound just like me. Already love Thunder better!
I think it's the inverse of conservatives who believe they aren't racist while doing, saying, and believing racist things. They were provided a liberal (in the classical ideological sense) education that told them racism is bad but didn't delve too deeply into self criticism. So now conservatives and liberals know racism is bad, but not really how to understand or identify it. So you get conservatives who steadfastly believe they aren't racist because they don't think they're bad, and liberals who label things they don't like as racist because it's one of the most bad things they can think of.
I agree, it seems like a lot of liberals have the attitude of "I can't be racist, because I'm not
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But they still have the attitude that racism is an individual problem, "A few bad apples" rather than a systemic one. So when they see individuals here doing
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I keep hearing the “racist bigoted” line and I just don’t get it
it's literally just because we call white people crackers lol
It's possible they're one of those vaush-brained clowns who genuinely believe that "anti-white racism" is a real problem, and they saw one of us making a joke about "crackers" or whatever lol
Blahaj was always going to defed us. From the beginning they were more committed to the red scare stuff than even /r/196 was.
i mentioned this wayyy back in my comment history, but am too lazy to dig it up.
don't sweat it if you end up being the excuse for them. This was all predetermined.
It's weird because I seen some Blahaj users who seem to be pretty alright.
They are. People here shit on them and the 196ers, but there are some genuinely good and funny people there. The shitposty culture is pretty compatible with hexbear.
It's more of a mod culture thing where they allow constant posts about routing out the red menace, but when you speak up and mention that kind of posting is meant to break movements, you're a "tankie."
I just hope, over time, the funny people will start to get sick of the tankie paranoia, and come chill in our cozy unity space.
the 196 mods are very bad, the admin is also not great but less explicitly anticommunist. The users are mostly not so bad.
196 is the one and only community I blocked. But I feel it reflects very poorly on their instance that the mods are allowed to ban leftists with impunity.
I actually just found out today that they defederated with us anyway. So good riddance. Plenty of people here and on lemmygrad to be queer with.
Aren't they all children? Like the meme was "between 19 and 6" because their poll showed they were all under 20
That's just another reason to not want to be federated with them for me
If I wanted to talk to kids on the internet I'd be a libertarian
As if the knowledge that it's a space made up of trans minors + chasers makes it any better
wait, blahaj defederated?
edit: no, I can see new posts in their comms
our admins smoothed things over with them and changed the instance rules so we'll see. I'd rather stay federated with the other large trans community, as a trans person
I'm trans as well. All the anti-communist nonsense over there was what actually convinced me to sign up at lemmygrad. I'm still very angry at those people.
I saw one defending hexbear on a .world post complaining about hexbear. Also, aren’t they the ones hosting one of the piracy communities that .world defederated from? Yes piracy, no socialism?
one of the piracy communities that .world defederated from
nah that's lemmy.dbzer0.com
I'm pretty frustrated that the admin of the instance thinks we're brigading. An admin should know that we're getting their posts in our feed because we're federated. We are just a big instance and we overwhelm the level of activity they're used to seeing when it comes into our feed.
I am wondering if lemmy sorts content in a way that's causing this situation though. Maybe it considers a post more interesting if it gets more activity than a typical post on their instance. So as soon as it appears on hexbear, the score on the post goes way way up and it gets pinned on hexbear for a long time.
I'm betting your theory is right. I think we're a lot more active than the rest of the fediverse and I didn't expect that. I thought we had a nice quiet little community over here lol
I mean, even pre-federation we were pretty dominant in post/comment activity.
She sees any dunk tank post of content on their instances as inherently brigading, is my interpretation
But I queried the API, before the dunk tank post went up the comments on that post were already 1/3 hexbear users. Now its about half. So while it probably had an impact it wasn't like nobody here was going to see the original post, regardless of it containing bad takes that got it featured in the dunk tank
Though honestly I'm fine with, and actually would suggest
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not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and
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not linking to dunk tank content on federated servers. If it comes up in people's feed it's fair game, and if people want to tear their arguments to shreds in the dunk tank, fair game, but we don't need to encourage actual brigading by providing a direct link, as a show of mutual respect for instances we fed with.
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And yes, lemmy's dogshit Active algorithm is a struggle session factory, it's truly bad.
- not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and
fwiw I think this is our official admin stance after what happened yesterday
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All this federation/defederation drama is nothing but bad faith. Our emotes are too big, bRiGadInG, wishing death to the people of NATO, blah blah blah. Let me ask a question. Why do all these instances that had already defed from lemmygrad chose, for a time, to federate with us despite us being far more active with giant emotes and so on?
It has nothing to do with giant emotes and everything to do with ideology. Lemmygrad's explicit ideology is ML, meaning there's little harm in an instance that doesn't subscribe to ML defedding the instance. "We are X while they are Y, so we are defedding from them due to ideological differences." But Hexbear's party line is left unity, meaning there's a place here for everyone who professes a form of leftism with the caveat that they aren't patsocs or anarcho-Bidenists. They can't openly defed from us due to ideological differences because as liberals, they fancy themselves as part of the left, meaning it would be strange if a so-called progressive instance would defed from a left unity instance due to ideological differences. This is open admittance that they are not actually part of the left. We know that libs are not and will never be part of the left, and they cannot cope with that.
So what happens? They federate with Hexbear for a time, fishing for a nonideological reason to defed from us. This is where the crying about giant emotes comes from. Do you think they would actually care about those giant emotes, a technical issue that would be eventually solved, if we had the same exact ideology as them? Do you think they would actually care about brigadingTM if we were just some quirky instance that mostly talks about fish and other sea animals?
This is the same exact energy as a supervisor who writes you up because you were 5 seconds late. If you're cool with your supervisor, you could be half an hour late. If you're not cool with your supervisor, you would be written up even if you were already in the office before your shift but your ass isn't in your assigned seat at your exact shift.
This. They are just itching for an excuse. Comes off real strong "no politics in my video games" emergy.
To be fair that mod was saying a lot of awful and untrue stuff about us.
But yeah probably not good to directly link to stuff like that.
I'll be honest, I didn't even think about it. I'm just so used to linking to things in the_dunk_tank that I don't have an account for and can't even comment on lol
Nah, on second thought, fuck 'em, you did the right thing.
That person was slimy as shit and as soon as they got any pushback they started falsely accusing us of brigading.
I got a comment removed for brigading even though I posted it before the dunk thread and also the post was on my front page! I didn't brigade I swear! All I said was "Uh oh we're definitely gonna get defederated then" in response to their "Death to NATO" comments lol
They were seething lol. I was trying pretty hard to reason with them and they responded several paragraphs ending with "you should all be fucking ashamed." I was a little bummed cus I figured there's decent amount of well-meaning libs there and queer people especially are probably easier to win over to socialism.
Yeah I’m gonna be real you shouldn’t be too cut up about anticommunists defederating you, in this case people are going to pester Ada enough until she decides she has to investigate, she’ll see the nonstop calls for death to america and fascists blahblahblah, and then she’ll defederate, that’s what she did with lemmygrad
Lemmygrad getting defederated is proof that the politics are the issue, not the posting style.
Libs are all about the marketplace of ideas until they're outnumbered in it.
Libs are all about the marketplace of ideas until they're outnumbered in it.
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Libs are all about the marketplace of ideas until they're outnumbered in it.
Unless it's the fascists who outnumber them, then they just go "When in Rome
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I don't like this idea that we can't dunk on someone because they mod some other instance. No mods, no masters
Also, I stand by this comment
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Back in the day, raids were just a fact of Internet life. They raid your forum. You raid their forum. "No BrIgAdErInOs" is literally those "NO RUSH 20" matches because you suck too hard at Starcraft.
And if other mods come in here spouting holocaust denial you better believe I'm going after them.key word being in here. I think its more or less fair to stay out of other instances meta posts, since lemmy doesn't yet have the capability to make a local-only comm
Yeah it is worth noting that on many instances with open comm creation anyone can be a mod.
I'm pretty sure at least .ml is going to stay federated as well, I've noticed their mods have been removing a lot of the comments we've been dunking on over there and leaving ours up
Don’t forget ee! They’ll never admit that they were defeated by wimpy commies and had to run and hide.
They've already defederated us, so they would probably defederate with you anyway. That instance is a cesspool though. I'm guessing that the mod in question was the moron in charge of 196?
Nah, I don't think they were a mod of 196. They were mad for the typical liberal reasons to hate communists.
There's a lot of that over there. I'm still very upset that they kidnapped blahaj.
Honestly, should we just create a new comm called "blajah cool zone" and have it have a rule requiring every post be about the shark?
Oh, someone should make explicitly queer tankie instance named Blåvingrad
Tbf this is what the admin commented before we started jumping into the thread:
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Then they went on a rant about "putting our differences aside because we're too large queer communities, but you guys blew it by brigading" but then again there's a good chance they would've found a different reason soon enough anyways.
they would've found some reason to defederate from us anyway so don't worry about it
This. If they can't find a reason, they'll just make one up, as we saw here.
We know our posting isn't the issue because they defederated from Lemmygrad, too.
I do take issue with this mod action though, because I commented this comment after finding the thread naturally through the front page of hexbear and linked to it AFTER making the comment
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should have removed the comment for being too funny or something cool, now I'm very embarassed
Ironically the formatting on this very post over there is totally ruined by the massive LIB emotes. This PR can't get released soon enough , thanks comrade devs
Yeah, I stopped posting emotes in other instances once I realized what it was doing. Or at the very least, I'll spoiler them with a warning that it's gonna be a big emote.
Yeah honestly we just need to not link instances we're fedded in the dunk tank. Just screenshot, or maybe just use the fedilink (the rainbow star thing), so that it's at least extra steps for someone to go there, read the post, copy the link, search it back on hexbear, click on the post, and then comment/"brigade". I don't think that calling out liberalism of other instances is really a bad thing/even brigading, but we should keep the discussion here not in their comments.
Shit we could even start pinging people like we used to back on CTH, but we need to find some way to not blow up every lib post on another instance into a massive struggle session. Better if the discourse happens here on our turf not out there.
Yeah, I think not directly linking to other instances is probably the correct choice going forward. The irony is that I posted it because I wanted to talk about it here and not there, because it was clear there was no getting through to that person.
Also, I want to be slightly fair to myself and say they would have called it brigading regardless. That post was full of hexbears well before my post. Our posting powers are too strong, we need to leave the training weights on in other instances.
That post was full of hexbears well before my post
That is actually pretty relevant IMO. Lemme see if I can get some numbers on that
You are absolutely correct. The post was at 32 comments when your dunk_tank post went up, of which 10 were already hexbears. (god I love websites with a good API)
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I WON'T DO IT, I WON'T GET IN TROUBLE AGAIN