And how they had people in clean suits spraying down entire streets with disinfectant.

It's a good thing the West picked up on the queen that it might be a good idea to prepare for a virus. Imagine if they decided instead to do nothing, but then blame China for the virus and claim that they created it in a lab and hid the virus from the world.

Just imagine if the West did nothing and instead decided to let it rip through their countries.

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    Edit: actually I’m not done…Like seriously: its revealed to me a level of propaganda that’s making me actively question how much of what I believe to be valid criticisms of China I believe for reasons that are complete bullshit.

    Everything you learn is anglo, western, and above all WHITE propaganda. Not just about China.

    China had the best response. The US hid it for far longer on its navy ships, military bases, etc

    POC are routinely not awarded credit for their discoveries/inventions. Look up Shibasaburo and Yersinia pestis.
    Or just think about the Indian numerals you use, the first iron metallurgy being in Africa, etc.

    Rhinos, elephants, and other African/Indian megafauna experienced 90% of their decline under white rule.

    US white settlers were calling themselves "Native Americans" in the 1800s, to foster a sense of nativity. Thus "American Indian" is actually an old racial slur that has simply reached such normative levels that the originally oppressed have just come to accept it.
    Similar stories with other redefined racial terms like "Caucasian" and "Aryan", redefined to assuage white insecurity.

    Vikings are just a meme because the Swedes were butthurt about losing Finland. The meme started 2 years after they lost the Finnish war.

    The American bison went basically extinct because US whites shot them all to starve the Plains Americans. Even today, all bison are mixed with cattle genes.

    Europe is not a continent. It's just Northwest Asia.

    White people are mixed race. (Yamnaya, Early farmers from Anatolia, Uralics etc)

    Light skin, and also Brown eyes, are a Middle Eastern feature.

    etc.

    It's literally every single thing that you are ever taught, and I can't overemphasize how NON-hyperbolic I'm being right now. Everything you hear, be it from a history book or just people chatting, is laced with lies, spins, and omissions to look a certain way, and even the well-meaning people will repeat these lies because there are so fucking many of them, they're like bacteria. You won't learn reality unless you go looking for it yourself.

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        In 1807, Sweden owned the entire country of Finland.
        In 1809, Sweden had lost the entire country of Finland.

        In 1811, the Vikingen poem was published.

        Why did a poem about random looters from 800 years ago COINCIDENTALLY become popular at that time? And subsequently go on to establish itself among other northern Euros as a mythical race of ubermensch?

        Because it was cope from losing to Finland, of course. Same as how after 9/11 there was a huge resurgence of "muh american exceptionalism"

        There were various tribes of looters/rapists/pillagers everywhere throughout history, they happen as a rule when an empire grows weak. The fact that the vikings are so popular, despite having basically zero impact on anything (contrast to the Arabs for example, who were a huge deal by spreading the entire religion of Islam), is a function of 1) general white romantic cope but also 2) specifically Swedish cope that enabled the meme to even begin in the first place

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          ahh i see, you are talking about Viking romanticism. Carry on.

          The super smart and talented bankers who bankrupted Iceland were referred to as vikings in the media when they were buying stuff overseas, they owned most of the media too of course. Turns out they were just idiots with easy access to loans.

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            I don't think I've ever seen the word "viking" be used in passing speech without making big cringe

            It's "vikings" when they bankrupt Iceland and then again it's "vikings" fighting back against invaders when the Icelandic gov tries to hold them accountable

            scandiboos are 100x worse than weeaboos ever were.

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              There is a myth here in Iceland of Icelanders being rugged and self-reliant, our forefathers having braved the extreme conditions. Nothing is better to disabuse you of that notion than reading Indendent People by Halldór Laxness.

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                Oh yeah, the other myth I forgot to mention is that Europe is cold. For some reason chuds are addicted to "muh cold climate strongman"

                Europe's not cold. White people aren't "cold adapted". Iceland has winters like Manhattan. If you want cold adapted people, you might try looking at Siberians/Inuit or even Sami (who have about 40% East Asian admixture despite living in Scandinavia)

                Asia and America are cold, Europe has climate that resembles Beijing and Virginia. The only parts of Europe that actually get cold are the ones that are transitioning into Asia (Russia, Belarus)

                It's actually obscene how EASY the european climate is, the winters never drop below freezing, the summers never exceed 70F, and it has the most fertile soil on the earth excepting the US midwest

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                  I can verify that, the most annoying feature of the weather here is wind and of course, lack of sunlight in the winter.

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                  What part of Virginia? Because coastal Virginia humidity is pretty brutal in the summer

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                    well I'm referring more to the low temps. Europe never gets cold or hot. WInters are mild, summers are mild.

                    As such, its winters are comparable to Virginia and Beijing. Summers are obviously much cooler.

                    Obviously there are exceptions in the parts close to Asia, and the extreme Svalbard-esque north where literally nobody lives. But if you're looking at core Europe, where 90% of the population lives and has lived over the last several millennia, it just doesn't get cold. Or hot, for that matter.

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                      Ah true, around here the temperature going into the 20s in the winter is considered an outlier and we start wearing sweatshirts when it's regularly hitting the low 60s

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                        yeah. The other thing is that Europe is extremely humid (again, until you get near Asia), which is of course an amazing thing for the climate and food production, especially if the weather doesn't get hot (which it doesn't)

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                        yea i guess you're right. It's more like the north parts don't get very cold, and obviously don't get hot

                        while the south parts get roughly as hot as other places on the same latitude, but still don't get as cold as those places

                        also africa begins at the pyrenees