Why do protestant unionists in northern ireland insist they are "anglo saxon lowland scots" and not celtic irishmen?

  • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Early 1600s

    Settlers ("planters") sent over to create a colony/plantation. Given stolen land to tempt them over.

    Hence the North now has two ethnic groups: descendants of the planters and descendants of the aborigines.

    • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      Why do protestant unionists in northern ireland insist they are “anglo saxon lowland scots” and not celtic irishmen?

      They are. Different ethnicity. Different language-group. Different ancestors. They're foreigners whose ancestors came here.

      Just like blue-eyed Europeans living in America are not Native Americans.

      • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 months ago

        True. It's just weird how these ulster orangement insist they are anglo saxon when modern lowland scots consider themselves celts-

        I guess they are just that afraid of being called irish-

        Really pathetic

        • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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          2 months ago

          Irish nationalists agree: them lot are Brits

          It'd be weird and false for Anglo-Saxons to start claiming to be Native American.

          • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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            2 months ago

            you kind of are doing a sectarianism here... Protestants will have to be included in a future all-irish project one way or the other. I'm Irish but I know there's Protestants in my family line... plenty of us "Celtic" Irish are descended from colonisers too. refusing to admit that is pretty cringe, what are you the one true Irishman? it's more meaningless of a distinction than ever these days now that we're white too. I'm on board with telling anyone still identifying as a Brit to fuck off but painting all Protestants with the same brush the way you are doing is bare faced sectarianism.

              • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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                2 months ago

                cool move to spout off a bunch of sectarian race brained nonsense and then retreat as soon as you're criticized by another Irish person. real posterboy for republican socialism you are anyway

                  • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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                    2 months ago

                    I wish I could come across as cool and aloof as you... you must be such a happy and fulfilled person to be acting like this

                    • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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                      2 months ago

                      Do you have a point?

                      Yer man asked me to explain the Plantations. I did. Now your making empty noises. I don't have anything left to say and I don't think you do either.

                      • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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                        2 months ago

                        you're a deeply unpleasant person lol. why don't you find a space more accepting of your backwards views and snide attitude instead of giving Irish folk a shit name on here?

                      • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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                        2 months ago

                        all I want is for you to engage with one of my criticisms instead of disengaging like a coward when challenged on your objectionable views. if you're such an authority on Irish nationalism that should be no problem for you?

                        • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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                          2 months ago

                          I didn't know I was being criticised.

                          I think I gave a fairly factual summary of "what were the plantations" which is what was asked.

                          • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]
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                            2 months ago

                            well you obviously got your hackles raised at my comments so your reading comprehension must be woeful if you didn't realise I was criticising you:) hope you can grow and become a nicer person and less secterian in future, wish you all the best

          • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
            hexagon
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            2 months ago

            I mean I have a lot of ancestry in ulster from my Scott family lime. I've always just said I have irish ancestry