This is why I made an account on here. No libs no new baby communist thinking they know everything about Marxism and whatever the fuck this guy was
no new baby communist
I mean we have plenty of those, hell I still consider myself one I won't even call myself a ML because I don’t think I’m educated enough, I just stick with marxist, it's more just about if that post was left unchallenged and for how long
You just have to avoid actual debates and instead ask questions to avoid embarrassing yourself ig. Like here:
Person A: "blah blah blah socialist state blah blah blah"
Person B (newbie): "you idiot socialism is stateless"
Person C (also newbie): "isn't socialism stateless?"
Person C will get an actual response and will learn more, Person B will get screenshotted and added to a cringe compilation.
Yeaah learned that the hard way. I made an utter cringe post once with way too many stupid assumptions even though I understood like the principles of Marxism and that's it. Past me shouldn't have presented himself as totally sure of these statements, and instead been like 'what should I make of that?'. Just by a simple change of attitude - way less trauma xD. I wonder if the guy in the screenshot learned from his mistake?
Many of us have been there. I can recall some very cringe comments I made about China on r/communism. No one bothered to correct me there. If I did the same here, you can be sure someone would post at least 3 paragraphs explaining why my perspective is incomplete and incorrect. You all are amazing!
<33 Cannot agree more! Thanks to such comrades I turned away from ideas that sure enough would have lead me to Trotskyism down the line. Interpersonal exchange is really important.
It is I, the great arbiter of Marxism-Leninism! Behold! You are hereby recognized for your study and efforts and granted permission to refer to yourself as ML, tankie, Stalin-apologist and many other neato titles. Let it be known!
(I’m imagining this playing out like a combination of the ghost of Christmases past scene in Scrooge mixed with Pinocchio when that fairy comes down and grants shoe-guy’s wish. Some sort of horrific Lenin-ghost-fairy yelling at people from beyond the grave)
Same. There's way too much theory to go thorough. My kindle is filled to the brim with theory and I don't think I can finish it with in my lifetime tbh. How did Gramsci manage to write faster than I can read?
You don't have to read everything. The best thing I can advise is to learn the basics, getting an idea of the fundamentals of Marx and Lenin (these guys are like your primary literature). You don't have to spend too long on this for now. And then after that find a topic that you enjoy and start to learn through that topic.
ex lets say you like Che then maybe you want to try learning about Cubas history and modern situation. Learning about Cuba in this way would give you some knowledge on material conditions, their revolution, important figures, their economy (historic and modern), government...you get the point.
Now that youve learned more specific stuff you can go back and learn a little more primary literature. I find there is this relationship where you can bounce back between the primary/fundamentals, and more specific topics, and they inform each other allowing you to understand more each time you go back and forth between them.
And don't worry about how much you know. I'm still a beginner too. Just take it at your own pace.
Good advice. The ProleWiki reading list is a good place to start. I also got a lot out of Rev Left Radio and Proles of the Roundtable podcasts. They have some great theory episodes a well as themed/topic episodes on art, Cuba, and more. They're good for reading recommendations, too.
Also worth remembering that it's not necessary to read every page of every book. For some books, yes. But not all of them. Sometimes it's enough to read the intro and/or conclusion. Sometimes just a select chapter. It depends on what you need/want from the text. Even with Capital I started by reading a chapter here, a chapter there. It wasn't until a year or so later that I sat and read it cover to cover.
One difficulty with reading new material – and most of Marxism is new material to most people because western education has severe shortcomings – is that every sentence can be a string of unfamiliar vocab. Each word might represent a new concept, covered by a whole body of literature. If all this is new, it's sooo dense. But the more you learn about and around a topic, the more the concepts become familiar and the easier the texts become to read.
That's why I advocate starting with management texts/selections, and building up. It's also why I think podcasts are helpful. It's all about helping to build up a core knowledge of the basic concepts. David Harvey's books are good for this. Especially Rebel Cities. It's short and applies Marxist concepts to everyday examples (wine production, coca cola, student housing, access to public spaces, etc) without using too much jargon.
Plus, if communists had to read everything before they could call themselves a communist, there wouldn't be any!
Might I also recommend Marx Madness? I've been listening to them and it has helped me a ton. I'd have never had the attention span to read Capital myself but listening to it being read to me while working swings when nobody is around? That I can do.
Season 1 does have super long episodes so if you already have an understanding of the Marx Labor Theory of Value, you can probably skip straight to Season 2, Lenin's State and Revolution.
How did Gramsci manage to write faster than I can read?
Laughs in Lenin
Collected Works are 55 thick books and not even everything is included.
It helps that all Italian words are three letters or less, so Italians can write really fast.
I have a good list on my kobo waiting for the opportunities to dig in, I get to spend some time almost every day.
I have a good bit of the basics, and when there's a decent bit of age on them they can get a little heavier... I'll take a break and read some parenti because my brain can digest that easily. But there's been PLENTY of "ah ha! MFr" moments in Marx's heavier stuff where something fell into place
lmao
Yes the guy who is known for praising the USSR and the guy who is known for praising Yugoslavia, and the whole three who are known to praise actually existing socialist states do not think "Socialism in one country" is a legitimate position to hold when fighting for global communism. ok
I don't know who they're trying to fool there, like maybe they're a trot wrecker? Maybe they are a baby leftist, god I hope.
For a little consolation, they don't look like a trot, unless the rest of the wall of text is not shown.
The Deprogram seems okay on a whole but boy does it attract some not good fans
A weirdly large contingent of the fans honestly seem to think that this "three guys just chatting about whatever" podcast is a substitute for actual theory, despite Hakim's constant reading recommendations.
It's baby leftists, not really surprising. 1/3 will go back to being libs, 1/3 will go Vaushite and shit and 1/3 will eventually develop into more mature comrades.
I've quit that server because there was a guy yankkksplaining me why the same housing policy as the one a nearby city's socdem government follows is good and based actually, as well as praised landlords who (iirc) actually do want to build cheap housing and drive rent prices down, you see.
On the other hand, there was a surprising amount of international comrades... me included, I suppose
Well they want cheap housing…to buy for themselves and charge exorbitant rent
The discord can get pretty bad too. I don't ever try to talk to the general chat. It's full of ppl that just want to kick down at everything that's not pure doomerism and removed about everything. Only good channels there are hobby ones.
