Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Of course, today we live in the society of spectacle, so these people do not usually read, but are merely educated by images.

    The Spectacle certainly includes writing. It's hard to get more Society of the Spectacle than by being a Hemingway Guy. The point of the Spectacle is that it replaces "being something" with "having the aesthetic of something," and literature most definitely conveys aesthetics that people have chased after, and in fact that's very strongly a trope of writing aimed at younger men.

    Edit: See also: https://web.archive.org/web/20210610042340/https://the-toast.net/2013/11/04/male-novelist-jokes/#idc-cover (including some of the comments)

    • qocu
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      3 months ago

      Edit: See also: https://web.archive.org/web/20210610042340/https://the-toast.net/2013/11/04/male-novelist-jokes/#idc-cover (including some of the comments)

      It's like the one responding were Jordan Peterson.