From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...
Someone here on Hexbear said something like liberals don't believe in other countries as existing geopolitical entities with diverse populations and economies. They think of places like Russia and China as mischievous polytheistic gods with distinct character flaws and demonic powers to influence people's minds. They think of Putin as some malignant devil in the clouds watching all discussion about him.
Xi Jinping will polymorph into a swan and seduce your wife though.