The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
I have been called a tankie for supporting Cuba, I have been called a tankie for saying the fall of Rhodesia was a good thing, I have been called a tankie for saying landlord isn't a legitimate profession, I have been called a tankie for saying Elon Musk doesn't deserve his wealth. "Tankie" is just "woke", but for centre left soc-dems
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group
Now, just out of the blue, for no discernable reason, the Russian government decided it would just go ahead and conquer a large population in a land where it would have to fight an insurgency for approximately forever. Yes, this is definitely what's happening. A tankie might call this pure MSNBC brain, but there is literally nothing else you need to know in order to understand this conflict. Stay strong, and continue to be the smartest person in the room.
Ah yes, I'm fully aware that this only began in February 2022 and not a single moment before. There isn't a history of russia fucking around for the last decade.
I am a social democrat. I think we should elect socialist politicians through our existing democracy. The socialist politicians will then vote on legislation to regulate the economy and ensure that corporations do not gain an outsized influence in the free market.
Looks at Allende, the Indonesian Genocide, ÖSDAP, and the US Civil War... I am sure, this time the ruling class will just say "aww shucks", and peacefully give up power, rather than fight to retain power like every previous time.
This has been tried many times and history shows that it's a really effective way of getting yourself couped and get a brutal reactionary regime put in your place. The bourgeoisie is not burdened by any high-minded liberal ideals when it comes to preserving their wealth and power, they are going to do whatever it takes.
Here in the US, the people rule. Since socialist policies are in the interest of the people, they will want to vote for politicians who support socialist policies.
The US is not, and has never been, a democracy, because the people do not direct the actions of the government except on the margins. There is no democratic input on imperialism or capitalism. Those are invariate, and the system is designed to protect those from public influence.
The US founding fathers were very explicit about how they intended to set up a constitutional order that would protect their class interest against democracy. The last thing they wanted was to enable the unwashed masses to vote away their wealth and privilege.
Ok, you know things. Cool. So why are you being so dodgy about hyperspecific political tendencies? Why is such a precarious, controlled, center-left (by ur standard) system like the US worth balancing?
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
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In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
What is it, like, 70% of Americans want single payer healthcare?
The people rule so effectively in the USA that the candidate with less votes has won 1/3 of presidential elections in the 21st century.
How can you be a "democracy" if the candidate with the most votes loses the election? I thought that was the number one rule of democracy, the person with the most votes wins.
Since socialist policies are in the interest of the people, they will want to vote for politicians who support socialist policies.
Yes, you are right. People voted for Obama in 2008 because he promised nationalized healthcare. Obama also promised to shut down Guantanamo Bay prison. And people voted for Biden in 2020 because he promised student loan debt relief. Both presidents failed to deliver on their promises. Why? Because democracy in America is and always has been "bread and circuses." Voting every two/four years is a distraction. Capital controls America, because it controls the American economy. How many elections do you need to see before you realize that it's always going to be the same shit?
And any actual socialist will be destroyed by the press. Jeremy Corbin -> anti-Semitic (he's not). Bernie Sanders -> misogynistic racist (he's not, and Biden and Trump both have dozens of sexual assault claims against them). Same shit, different year. Capital, the media, and special interest groups stop all progress from happening in American "democracy." No one has ever voted their way to a revolution.
i"m not an anticommunist, i just hate and denounce like 95% of communists and communist parties worldwide rn and historicaly (they are and were some variation of leninist)
Yeah you are against a very specific group, communists, no need to hide it
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
I have been called a tankie for supporting Cuba, I have been called a tankie for saying the fall of Rhodesia was a good thing, I have been called a tankie for saying landlord isn't a legitimate profession, I have been called a tankie for saying Elon Musk doesn't deserve his wealth. "Tankie" is just "woke", but for centre left soc-dems
woke = (-∞, center]
tankie = (-∞, progressive liberal)
I agree with all of these takes. You're still a tankie though.
Maybe do some introspection?
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Yes, for everybody to the left of you.
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Have you ever heard of anarchism and mutual aid
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I'm personally more afraid of being drafted in a war started by russia but whatevs
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What's your point? Are russia not currently being an imperialist nation? They are invading a country for the sake of territory
Now, just out of the blue, for no discernable reason, the Russian government decided it would just go ahead and conquer a large population in a land where it would have to fight an insurgency for approximately forever. Yes, this is definitely what's happening. A tankie might call this pure MSNBC brain, but there is literally nothing else you need to know in order to understand this conflict. Stay strong, and continue to be the smartest person in the room.
Ah yes, I'm fully aware that this only began in February 2022 and not a single moment before. There isn't a history of russia fucking around for the last decade.
You probably don't understand anything from a decade ago either.
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I am a social democrat. I think we should elect socialist politicians through our existing democracy. The socialist politicians will then vote on legislation to regulate the economy and ensure that corporations do not gain an outsized influence in the free market.
Looks at Allende, the Indonesian Genocide, ÖSDAP, and the US Civil War... I am sure, this time the ruling class will just say "aww shucks", and peacefully give up power, rather than fight to retain power like every previous time.
This has been tried many times and history shows that it's a really effective way of getting yourself couped and get a brutal reactionary regime put in your place. The bourgeoisie is not burdened by any high-minded liberal ideals when it comes to preserving their wealth and power, they are going to do whatever it takes.
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Here in the US, the people rule. Since socialist policies are in the interest of the people, they will want to vote for politicians who support socialist policies.
This is literally objectively not true:
https://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
The US is not, and has never been, a democracy, because the people do not direct the actions of the government except on the margins. There is no democratic input on imperialism or capitalism. Those are invariate, and the system is designed to protect those from public influence.
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Including the time when white people could own black people as slaves? That democracy?
The US founding fathers were very explicit about how they intended to set up a constitutional order that would protect their class interest against democracy. The last thing they wanted was to enable the unwashed masses to vote away their wealth and privilege.
and yet these and other popular policies remain politically impossible
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Ok, you know things. Cool. So why are you being so dodgy about hyperspecific political tendencies? Why is such a precarious, controlled, center-left (by ur standard) system like the US worth balancing?
come on this has to be satire. you can't be serious about this shit.
Study: Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens:
From the abstract:
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What is it, like, 70% of Americans want single payer healthcare?
The people rule so effectively in the USA that the candidate with less votes has won 1/3 of presidential elections in the 21st century.
How can you be a "democracy" if the candidate with the most votes loses the election? I thought that was the number one rule of democracy, the person with the most votes wins.
Yes, you are right. People voted for Obama in 2008 because he promised nationalized healthcare. Obama also promised to shut down Guantanamo Bay prison. And people voted for Biden in 2020 because he promised student loan debt relief. Both presidents failed to deliver on their promises. Why? Because democracy in America is and always has been "bread and circuses." Voting every two/four years is a distraction. Capital controls America, because it controls the American economy. How many elections do you need to see before you realize that it's always going to be the same shit?
And any actual socialist will be destroyed by the press. Jeremy Corbin -> anti-Semitic (he's not). Bernie Sanders -> misogynistic racist (he's not, and Biden and Trump both have dozens of sexual assault claims against them). Same shit, different year. Capital, the media, and special interest groups stop all progress from happening in American "democracy." No one has ever voted their way to a revolution.
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Good gracious. And people say we're the ones living in a dream world.
Are people not allowed to disagree with you?
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i"m not an anticommunist, i just hate and denounce like 95% of communists and communist parties worldwide rn and historicaly (they are and were some variation of leninist)
Yeah you are against a very specific group, communists, no need to hide it
There is no one to the right of authoritarians who want to silence dissent and use violence to right the inequalities in society.
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If we were at war and they were soldiers, sure. Otherwise it's murder.
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killing is bad unless the state says its ok