• Southern Boy@lemmy.ml
    hexagon
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    12 hours ago

    If anyone here freaks out about cooperation agreements with the west keep in mind these are several rungs below the cooperation with Laos, Cambodia, and China, VERY explicitly so

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      11 hours ago

      That's precisely why I think this is a money making scheme for rich officials and contractors in Hanoi, the amounts are too low to set off the state's corruption detectors, but the precedent still sets a bad example institutionally

      • Southern Boy@lemmy.ml
        hexagon
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        edit-2
        11 hours ago

        Hanoi needs some serious infrastructure so I do agree the amounts should be higher but this is paranoid thinking

        The country is poor and literally every facet of infrastructure could do with cash injection, there's hardly room for graft without pissing people off. They actually sentence people for it and NGOs aren't getting a free ride anymore.

        The level of pessimism coming out here from people who don't even know how these cooperation agreements work is kind of disappointing.

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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          11 hours ago

          French capital is not investing for the sake of Viet rail and the wild returns that would bring in

          This is quid pro quo under the table deal making and graft, the French are purchasing access to something they think will make real money and definitely something they shouldn't have access to

          • Southern Boy@lemmy.ml
            hexagon
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            11 hours ago

            I mean feel free to back any of that up but it really just seems like bong rip paranoia that flies in the face of how these cooperation agreements work and the competition and diplomatic pressure France is facing

            Capital outflows from imperialist countries have not created rail development abroad beyond what was needed to extract resources for a century in many places so imperialists paying for infrastructure is symbolically a reversal, it's bringing them to heel

            • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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              11 hours ago

              Capital outflows from imperialist countries have not created rail development abroad beyond what was needed to extract resources for a century in many places so imperialists paying for infrastructure is symbolically a reversal, it's bringing them to heel

              That's my point, the French wouldn't pay for infrastructure unless they thought they were getting something out of it, if there's a clear reversal (symbolic or otherwise) the French wouldn't so much as return Hanoi's calls

              Obviously the French see a door that is open or appears to be open, a door that most likely has nothing to do with rail (considering the comically low amount they're investing) and shouldn't be open to begin with

              Whether that "door" is actually open and the Vietnamese aren't just playing 4d chess on Paris is up for debate, I hope they are

                • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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                  11 hours ago

                  You put my point on the rack and stretched that mf lmao

                  The French are evil tho barthes-shining

                  • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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                    7 hours ago

                    The Americans are worse and Vietnam worked with them pretty much immediately after they got done poisoning their entire populace

                    • Southern Boy@lemmy.ml
                      hexagon
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                      edit-2
                      5 hours ago

                      Every time I look at the map of chemical scars it makes me get really itchy and I want to cry but I don't because I need people to take me seriously ☝️🤠

      • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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        9 hours ago

        Didn't they just remove a bunch of corrupt high officials like 2 years ago or something?