I felt the need to share something personal about myself to one of the most welcoming, great communities I've ever had the honor to call myself a part of. You can make posts lamenting my radicalisation all you want, but seriously that shit is none of your business and the fact that you decided to deride me for being "tricked" or something makes me really mad. Do you think some internet strangers can automatically re-write 10 years of the US school system's imprint on my brain? The people on hexbear were everything the people on your instance claimed to be and more, these "genocidal tankies" showed patience, compassion, and empathy to me, and you think you can just condesendingly harp on about how i've been brainwashed? seeing hexbear made me decide to take a second look at my worldview, and really research who i was, what i believed, and what i stood for. If you think you can reduce that to me being brainwashed, you can go to hell.
fuck you and never post about me again.
(what community do i post this to? cth should be fine right? just delete it and dm me if i have to move it :P )
libs when someone breaks the liberal brainwashing: "you've been brainwashed! you aren't saying all the stuff we learned in school and on tv and from the government!!! do you even pledge allegiance to the flag!?!"
Hey i didnt see your other post but im glad that your feeling welcomed in the hexbear space. I personally block the .world instance cuz i just find them annoying lol. Don't let them get under your skin too much its what they want is to cause problems. Theyll call us radicals all day, but in reality all us "tankies" want is to end imperialism, and exploitation. If thats radical then i dont want to be moderate lol.
Semi-related, I think one reason we stick in their craw so much is not only that we bluntly reject their delusional browbeating, but that we use teamwork when doing so. Someone here said there's about a Dunbar's number worth of hexbears, and that means that we know each other, we're familiar with each other's styles, and we dunk as a pack. They don't have that, they're too big, so every big argument with us is like a bunch of conscripts who don't know each other vs a well-drilled and experienced unit.
Like genuinely, as much as their presence annoys us, they seem to actually...well, maybe fear is a bit too strong a word, but they seem so hyperfocused on us Like shitposting Sarduarkar, our dread-mythology precedes us.
goat@sh.itjust.works is constantly dropping transphobic comments, I would stop being a vegan just to turn them personally into kebab
What the actual shit lmao what did these idiots do now?
Worldists are the worst I swear
People like that use condescension to try to whip people in line, it's so gross to hand wave away people's agency. I could write a book on this kind of shit, but... Nah.
Instead, I'll just say welcome comrade!
Definitely not fucking creepy seeing a radlib write a goddamn essay about a 16 year old socialist. But sure we are the "groomers" I guess. Fucking hell. I'm sure there are plenty of fash fanfic sites around the web if that dork wants to larp as a pedo.
Lemmy.world is home to the most rabid radlibs on this platform, they have no coherent platform. Pure Liberalism taken to the extreme.
Welcome, comrade
I love my Hexbear comrades, but sorry comrades, I actually became radical before I found this community.
I started calling myself an anarcho-commie, then a year later someone was like "you might like this place". And I did.thanks! i also would be considered radical by their standards before first contact wih the bear site
back in 2023 I had this instance blocked until a nice bear had replied to me on some thread earlier this year. I don't remember what it was, but I remember in the moment looking through their posts and deciding to unblock hexbear to look around, and over time you all really taught me a lot. not just about American politics, but about a lot of things in the world. everyone here has always been nice to me too. I spend more time on here now than a lot of other places. you all on the bear have helped me start seeing things for what they really are elsewhere too.
The anarcho-tankies of hexbear continue to be vindicated. Glad you took the time to examine the ocean of propaganda in which we in the west swim and came around. We need every comrade we can get.
Now goat seems to be trying to insinuate we are pedos and also all men.
https://lemmy.world/post/20691433?scrollToComments=true
I question if they’re even communists, considering most commie-spaces throw them out,
Oh tell me wise liberal, who are these true communists you speak so highly of?
I wonder if it’s because they realize that roleplaying revolutionaries does nothing to advance the working class, and that the main job right now is to pull the populace left and organize labor so there CAN be a sustainable socialist future
Is that what they call their system that is spiraling backwards in many ways- engaging in "forever wars" and provoking WW3, destroying the biosphere and directly contributing the deaths of tens of millions from preventable causes and exacerbated climate catastrophes alike, trying to maintain their monopolies*, reserve currency*, and hegemony over the overwhelming majority of humanity rather than accepting equality and thus engaging in diplomacy and cooperation?
*spoiler
*industrial rentier and economic infrastructure rentier behavior respectively
not to live out your wildest ML fantasies where you get to shoot all the anarchists and exile all the Whites?
And by this... they mean, the "ML fantasies" of self-defense against those who at some point will refuse and actively work against and attack the creation of state systems or even just complex organizations that are necessary to resist and put an end to the aforementioned system. Whether due to issues with the concept of hierarchy in and of itself (anarchists) or due to... preserving their supremacy (racial, ethnic, material, sexist, etc).
Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone, no one cares about the genuinely apolitical. No one gives a shit if anarchists want to start their "not-state" communes in the middle of the wilderness, or if white people are willing to live as equals (or otherwise want to go start their own "racially pure" communes in the wilderness and inbreed to death in peace without disturbing anyone else). People generally won't even care if someone has been or remains bourgeois, so long as their heart and thus their actions are in and directed towards the right place (Engels was a industrialist, Armand Hammer was "Stalin's favorite capitalist" and had an estimated net worth of $800 million by his death in the 1990s). The white liberal persecution strikes again.
I think goat capitalized Whites to refer to anti-communists, not white people.
Then again, with the stuff he's posted in the past, who knows
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just wanted to use their "innocent" words at face value to show how bullshit their persecution complex (because fascists, cracKKKers, and capitalists in general always have the biggest persecution complex while actually constantly persecuting others, entirely unprovoked, for the maintenance of their system) was.
Awww, I'm in the screenshot
wonder if I'm a teenager or a thirty year old man
Since I didn't see your first post when it happened, welcome
And I couldn't agree more. None of us are here, at the political juncture we are, because we wanted to be. People don't want to live in a world that is so fundamentally broken, nor to be exploited and live precariously, etc... most people don't want to experience racism and other bigotry, they don't want to have their countries destroyed by war or their people genocidally slaughtered, and so on. We were driven here because of the material conditions and societal contradictions (racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, classism, etc) of our lives, and having either empathy or at least finding rational common interest/cause with others after seeing the material conditions of others' lives (up to and including the sheer destruction, deprivation, and genocide currently being waged- by the western system- on Gaza).
We're here because their system, the system they protect and circle around is a hideous, genocidal, hyper-exploitative one, and many of us (the overwhelming majority of humanity by a wide margin, really) are the human detritus they have left in their wake. We're here because we have either the principles or at least understanding (once again, of common cause) to not look away from the death, destruction, and deprivation their system causes around the entire world, and the decency to stand against it- whereas they are complicit with it, defend and support it, like with their posts about you, and some (probably more than we'd suspect) are directly participating in it. We are the product of their collective actions within their system, and because of their denial of guilt and assumed self-interest (for social acceptance, economic interest, etc) they hate us for it.
I certainly didn't start off here, rather I was raised to be the opposite in many ways. And I wanted to be optimistic, I even wanted to be and was ignorantly patriotic and hopeful for a time. I certainly don't want to live in a country which is actively and directly supporting industrial genocide, which is a racist and exploitative hellhole doing its best to instigate a 3-front WW3, and in which I see poverty and hopelessness all around me, and where any rational and informed understanding of the system I live under will show that it only serves to perpetuate and exacerbate all of these issues for its own gain.
Fuck the libs, may they burn in hell, if one exists they will surely be going there. If they had barest minimum human decency so as to stand against genocide, they would not be where and as they are. Even many children, even the "apolitical," etc... have considerable ability to realize and stand against such horror, and yet they refuse- I would even say that they fight against their basic human instincts of social empathy (or lack it altogether). With the exception of those too young (and even then, very sheltered) to have seen and understood the real world, none of them have any excuse; they have made retaining their place of privilege (or ambitions towards it) relative to and in support of the exploitative, genocidal, warmongering meat grinder of empire the hill they want to die on. And they will be damned for it, whether directly, by history, or their causing the end of human existence and history altogether.
So you're saying that a bunch of Hexbears didn't kidnap you and force you to watch a bunch of yellow tinted Parenti videos until you renounced America and/or all cishets?
Shit, comrades, I think we nabbed the wrong person.
it was so horrible, the hexbears broke into my house and forced me to burn an american flag. an eagle cried that day
Do you think some internet strangers can automatically re-write 10 years of the US school system's imprint on my brain?
This is something I think a lot of annoying-ass liberals miss: the only way commie propaganda wins anybody over when they're otherwise inundated with pro-capitalist and anti-communist perspectives, is if it resonates with existing experiences and attitudes. It has to click with something already there.
They have to think you just haven't seen what they're offering, because they can't stomach that you've seen and compared both, and their shit just comes up short for more and more people.
Yeah, I was a lib longer than I have been a commie. I have seen 99% of the arguments they use because I fucking used to make them myself.
Dw it's libs malding that their world order is ending. The jewel of imperialism, the US empire, built by slaves on stolen land had to expand and colonize to sustain itself up until now. When there is no more Destiny to Manifest, when there's no more false flags to blame on Spain, when your vassal states turn on you, you're running on fumes.
As the amount of foreign, global south workers to exploit decrease, the empire starts cannibalizing their own population. Wages stagnate and cost of living rises. No concessions to the poor. No upwards mobility. Half the population are buying into a fantasy of a misremembered past sold by an orange steak salesman, the other half are trying to keep the decline to "steady" rather than "freefall" by doing the exact same liberalism over and over.
They'll bitch and moan and point at the flaws of China or South America or anything that doesn't align with their worldview, they'll blame any shortcomings caused by their own ideology to Russian disinformation or entitled Millennials or ungrateful workers or idealistic college students who are simply opposing a genocide.
They truly lost libs are living in a fantasy, the end of history, if they get over the hiccups that are Trump or a couple bad egg billionaires, they can continue in perpetual growth and prosperity like their parents' generation. They're unwilling or unable to look at themselves critically. Why is Germany pivoting hard right? Why France? Why are polls showing the NI and Scotland leaving the UK next chance they get? Why does liberal "democracy" keep spawning right wing nationalists everywhere? We have regular self crit and struggle sessions, and unless interacting directly with Libs, are able to critically support. They don't have introspection, they barely have hindsight.
They're just deluded as the Maga dumbasses who truly think a second Trump term will somehow make their lives better because there's a wall along the US Mexico border and their Hispanic neighbor gets deported and every school teacher has a gun and there's no regulation in a Tesla factory. Its just as delusional to think if another feckless Lib is in the white house, somehow healthcare will get cheaper, climate change will be stopped before the point of no return, landlords will charge less for rent, and the Yankistani government will stop meddling in the middle east.
They will say you'll look back in this period and cringe. But they won't have a place in the future to look back from.
Seeing the way libs blame "tankies"/Russians/insert-enemy-here for radicalizing people reminds me a lot of how abusive parents react to being cut out of their child's life. They'll blame one of the child's friends, or their new significant other, or their therapist, saying the person in question "poisoned their child's mind," but the one person they will never, ever blame is themselves. The entitlement, the infantilization, the complete blindness to their own wrongdoing, it's all eerily similar.
That is a scarily accurate analogy. The worrying thing then is I also have never witnessed an abusive parent be convinced out of their ways, I wonder what the best approach is there.
Introspection (the lack of which is usually the source of chronically abusive behaviour) is a skill that takes a lot of time to cultivate. You cannot convince a person to become introspective anymore than you can convince a person to start speaking French. It is also necessary for the right social environment to be present for introspection.
Besides the fact that your analysis is spot on, it's especially tasty since the post OP is calling out was framing Hexbear as abusive.
