Remember the goal of a debate is never to win the person you're debating with but the people who watch you debate
That's why dunking works
Be mean to them instead. The only language they understand is smug superiority and condescension.
That's been a lot of my experiences when I've gone the nice route.
sorry I'm pulling the ladder up, fuck anyone who has been sleepwalking through the last year. the last bus to remaining human leaves in two weeks
Do someone have the "how to talk to liberal" meme with Huey Newton?
Thank you, as always correct way to talk to liberals is: with a gun in your hand.
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I've personally found that approaching an argument as an educational opportunity has been generally effective for me. I've had people come around and actually engage with communist ideas because I present them calmly and simply try to teach.
Sure, it doesn't work all of the time or even most of the time, but I think it works more than being incendiary and insulting, which I think has a 0% chance to get people to engage with your ideas.
If you just want someone to shut up, the incendiary route is definitely better tho.
yeah you usually have to build it up bit by bit too I've found, with foundational topics relevant to their lived experience. A topic at a time to build out the Marxist framework. It is why it is important to have studied and struggled with the theory enough to be able to speak confidently and coherently and formulate analyses in real-time on a given topic that is relevant to the living reality of the modern day (not just copy/pasting vulgarly from past writings to today as if conditions and circumstances are the same). You need people to accept basic axioms before building things out. And that isn't too hard in of itself. Working people I've found are in general very receptive to foundational principles like propertyless proletarian class position vs capitalist class position, wage labor, capital, value and surplus value extraction; because they live it every day at their shit jobs with shit bosses who do nothing while being paid the most and you can draw a pretty easy line with it. Richard Wolff has done this with a lot of people (though I disagree with him on further extents of his politics, his co-op market socialism stuff). Once they have an understanding of this basic essential axiomatic framework it becomes much easier to build on it and situate it in a historical continuity for them etc. and connect it to broader realities. And as always people involved in struggle with you by their side will be more receptive to having their consciousness heightened than otherwise.
Talking a wine cave liberal out of West Wing ideology is like talking a wine cave liberal out of the belief that they are a certified sommelier because they paid a few hundred bucks for a piece of paper at a wine tasting event.
Egh, depends, nice is good for being in-person, but if they're too terminally online, they prolly invested a lot in their beliefs...
