It's a situation that I have been expecting for a while, but I wasn't fully ready to accept it. Specifically it's one of my LGBTQ friends who honestly believes in the democrats will protect them and their partner. I have tried to make the point that both parties are eroding any sort of civility towards all marginalized groups, but fear seems to drive them more than logical observations. They make the excuse that change doesn't happen over night and that the left continues to grow and will have meaningful affects down the road. I fundamentally just don't agree with that idea and vocalize it regularly. More and more it is ending up in a circular argument where I am painted as unrealistic and my rhetoric (leftist rhetoric) is doing more harm than good because it promotes distrust in the only system we have to work with. I try to tell them it's kind of the whole point. We gotta start somewhere if we want to see a better, more representative system, but they are so hung up on the immediate future while simultaneously saying that my idealistic feelings are shortsighted and I cant expect change in the immediate future... The double-talk is wild, I know.

I am trying my hardest to stop from engaging at this point because on the most basic level we agree on a lot of stuff, but they are just way to wrapped up in the fear mongering of the democratic party. They know that the two party system is broken, they know that something drastic needs to change, but they also think that they are powerless to do anything except choose the lesser evil. It pains me because I am watching them do the same shit past generations have done, where they give up on their ideals for the sake of preserving the current status quo that they benefit from. I am legitimately watching them imply "fuck you, got mine" under the guise of civic duty and I hate it. I want nothing more than to be able to finally say "I told you so" without being a smug asshole about it and ruining our friendship.

Thanks for reading my rant. It's probably a bit disjointed, but the frustration is boiling over and I needed to vent to the only group of people that seems to understand the hopelessness of being a disenfranchised leftist.

  • bumpusoot [any]
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    1 month ago

    Trump did bad things. So have the Dems. And sincerely describing someone who actively supports genocide as "not perfect" just shows what a disingenuous lib you are. Your version of "harm reduction" has, for decades, done nothing but emphasize and prolong the harm.

    I don't live in the US either. I just care about people's wellbeing in general. You should recognise that literally wherever on the planet you live, that organising and doing direct action would be more productive than telling people anywhere that voting matters. What a fucking waste of political energy.

      • bumpusoot [any]
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        1 month ago

        I'm happy where my country stands at, thanks.

        There it is. "I don't care about anyone else, I like how my life is and want the status quo". Do direct action and organise to help OTHERS, if your country is a super paradise then do direct action to pressure your government into condemning genocide. Sadly I think you won't ever resort to actually doing something to help.

        It's not worth engaging, really. You clearly know all this and actually just don't give a fuck.

        • nothx [he/him]
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          1 month ago

          Based on the TLD of their instance, it’s even funnier for them to say that.

        • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 month ago

          I do care for people, hence why I'm writing here, in the hope of convincing even one person to vote the right person, since physically going there isnt feasible.

          pressure your government into condemning genocide.

          what if they already did? the US is such a huge economical power that no-one but themselves can push it towards a better future, and all the third party voters are doing is assuring that the genocide is gonna continue under Trump's regime (since that's basically what it is apparently, thank SCOTUS)

          • REgon [they/them]
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            1 month ago

            I do care for people, hence why I'm writing here, in the hope of convincing even one person to vote the right person, since physically going there isnt feasible.

            point-and-laugh-1point-and-laugh-2 YOU ARE DOING LESS THAN THE BARE MINIMUM YOU ARE ARGUING WITH STRANGERS ONLINE OH MY GOD AND YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING! THIS IS FUCKING FUNNY HAHAHAHAHA
            If you actually cared you'd spend the freetime you have to volunteer for a cause, the dems need people so go do something for them, since you care so much lmao. This isn't for anyone, you're doing this for you, because your brain gives you sweet sweet serotonine when you argue with strangers online

              • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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                1 month ago

                And here you are, yet again being accidentally misogynist! REgon very well might not be a man, but you sure have assumed they are!

                My worry that you haven't learned anything after being called out on your misogyny seems well-founded. Well, at least I tried, I guess. sadness

              • REgon [they/them]
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                30 days ago

                Your parents failed in raising you.

                Also you don't hold the caps key you fucking idiot and I'm not the one doing a holier than thou act trying to behave as if this is anything other than a pointless online argument.
                You are by far the dumbest person who has wondered in here thinking their farts smelled like roses. Please take just two additional seconds to think before you respond, it would do you some good. Toughness is something you decide to infer, instead of what most people read from capital letters, which is yelling or manic energy. The fact you find that to signify "tough" probably had something to do with you having the mentality of a toddler. Fuck your mother and your father.

                If you can spare ten grand.

                You can phone bank from home, you can help with emails from home, you can work extra hours and donate the money, you can volunteer for a good cause in your own country. You really are a pathetic cretin. The world would be a better place if you weren't in it

          • m532 [she/her]
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            30 days ago

            I know who you consider as people and who dont you consider as people

      • REgon [they/them]
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        1 month ago

        I'm happy where my country stands at, thanks.

        The country is currently, according to you, on the tipping edge of something cataclysmic and you're happy with that? Lmao

        Right, so let's elect the guy who will do imminent and immediate harm, and a lot more of it, because that's better obviously

        As opposed to the lady who will do imminent and immediate harm, but where dorks like you go outside and fight against it?

        I am a realist. The genocide, at least for now, won't stop, but we have the power to not make it worse. What do you chose?

        lenin-laugh You've been told quite a few times what people choose. A realist would accept the reality of the situation. A realist also wouldn't have this idealistic dogmatic adherence to decades old arguments about "aw shucks just this one time we need to do it, because the other guy is actually way worse and way different"
        In your case the realistic option would be to acknowledge that your candidate has a better chance of winning the election if she stops supporting a genocide, and instead of arguing with leftists online you put your energy towards pushing your candidate to make those concessions. What do you choose?