https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135509

this is practically a child’s view of the world. good guy vs bad guy. Russia = bad, NATO = good. plus, someone should tell her she has it completely backwards: ending russia is kinda natos entire thing

  • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    Yeltsin and Putin both wanted to join NATO:

    https://archive.is/20220409143007/https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/21/world/soviet-disarray-yeltsin-says-russia-seeks-to-join-nato.html

    https://archive.is/20221023010612/https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/06/putin-says-why-not-to-russia-joining-nato/c1973032-c10f-4bff-9174-8cae673790cd/

    • commiecapybara [he/him, e/em/eir]
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      11 months ago

      Wasn't there an informal deal struck between Gorbachev and (I think) Clinton that Russia would be allowed to join NATO if the Soviet Union broke up? Or am I misremembering that

      • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        There was an informal deal around NATO not expanding to around Russia, which is what mearshimer and chompsky have both talked about before.

        I think Russia tried to join NATO more to prove it was anti-russia

          • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            keep in mind that this was before the warsaw pact was even a thing, but the US was meanwhile injecting cash, weapons etc. into west germany less than 10 years after the holocaust, and allowing "former" nazis like Adolf Heusinger into key positions within NATO command structure. The USSR tried to join NATO To get some say in these proceedings but were rejected? Why? Not democratic capitalist enough.

          • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            Molotov's collective security proposal was rejected by western representatives on two grounds. Firstly, because the United States was excluded from the proposed treaty and relegated, together with Communist China, to observer status.

            This is hilarious. I love it.