And even if the hosting provider doesn't, the US government can just seize the domain. .net is administered by US-based Verisign.
So what's our plan B? If the domain is seized, I'm assuming that we'll get updates from the fediverse account. But if there's some sort of problem there (matapacos.dog is seized, or no updates get posted because those with access to the matapacos @hexbear account have been arrested, or other unforeseen problem) how do we re-group?
There are secondary / tertiary methods of contact. People have accounts on other platforms like Twitter, Matrix, Telegram, Discord, Mastodon, Reddit, etc. There are other watering holes people can regain contact. The community would be utterly fractured, but such was the case when Reddit dropped the hammer on us. I think our past experience served well. Establish a life raft. Gather the troops. Plot a course forward.
That said, we were relatively lucky last time. The regime of censorship has sharpened significantly in the past four years since then. If the US government were to lean on Hexbear's ISP (or domain registrar), a life raft on a service like Discord would fold like a house of cards (not to mention being 100% wiretapped). We would need more robust options. There is the Matrix server, but it is tied up with the same infrastructure. The people who use it have accounts distributed among various Matrix servers though.
The fracturing of the community is what I worry about most. Sites and software and services come and go. All that matters is that the community can find each other again quickly.
The registration probably lapsed (because it was a meme domain) and somebody snapped it up in June 2023
While I'm at it, chapo.su also lapsed (but I doubt someone is going to bother stealing that. You need to apply and provide ID to the Russian state to register those domains. You can't just plug a credit card number into godaddy).
we need significantly more resilient communications infrastructure. though this applies equally to disaster prep since the internet is extremely fragile. i see this as a problem with a bunch of parts, but some of the main pieces look like this to me:
organizing computers (spare phones, spare laptops, actual server hardware) into cloud-like infrastructure components
writing software that actually works well running on trash (fediverse nodes really hate it when hostnames change, so hexbear itself may not adapt well if the domain gets seized. they aren't a good match for disaster services either since you can't guarantee that global DNS will work)
building overlay networks to connect nodes over the internet (yggdrasil+i2p looks like a winner in the short term)
building a physical mesh network to link nearby computers together over fast links (BATMAN for no se vende mesh here in LA)
developing a mobile adhoc mesh routing protocol that can setup a usable internet using only smartphones that interoperates with the fixed mesh noted in 4 (this will likely replace BATMAN, but is also a research problem and would represent a novel capability)
there are a bunch of shitty mesh apps and hardware components out there that may also be applicable, but its hard to get anything useful out of them without more planning and coordination. (meshtastic, briar, secure scuttlebutt, simplex, et al. come to mind)
i've been working on minibase for the micro-cloud component in an experimental capacity for years using alpine linux (just cuz i like it), but I've recently started working on a production version based on nix.
4: building a physical mesh network to link nearby computers together over fast links (BATMAN for no se vende mesh here in LA)
5: developing a mobile adhoc mesh routing protocol that can setup a usable internet using only smartphones that interoperates with the fixed mesh noted in 4 (this will likely replace BATMAN, but is also a research problem and would represent a novel capability)
I think there is a strong tendency to put the cart before the horse when it comes to mesh networking. People imagine how cool it would be to have widespread mesh networks, but setting up a digital radio doohickey accomplishes nothing if there is nobody listening on the other end. We need social organizations first. Then, communications technology can be built to serve the needs of these organizations. It is very much a local organizing problem. The tech does not circumvent this.
lemmy or lemmygrad both have Mali domain names, decent place to regroup if they aren't taken down at the same time. I think the hosting provider is the same though. Hoping the admins in charge of the infra and with access to that account aren't US-based though
Hexbear is going to be one of the few places on the internet where you can say "death to Israel"
Death to Israel.
This comment just got reported by @GameEnder@reddthat.com for "Hate Speech". Show yourself, nerd.
lol
@GameEnder@reddthat.com hate speech doesn't apply when it's towards states, loser.
Death to Israel.
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Is there a plan for if/when that happens? Something that we should all be aware of just in case the site goes down and never comes back up.
I'm not sure where I would even start to look if it did disappear.
Also I think I'd probably stop using the internet all together if I lost this site.
My plan b:
man , i would be so sad if hexbear really goes down. losing the chapotraphouse sub(s) sucked too, but that wouldn't be as bad as hexbear
They will turn the screws on the hosting providers if (and when) it comes to it.
And even if the hosting provider doesn't, the US government can just seize the domain. .net is administered by US-based Verisign.
So what's our plan B? If the domain is seized, I'm assuming that we'll get updates from the fediverse account. But if there's some sort of problem there (matapacos.dog is seized, or no updates get posted because those with access to the matapacos @hexbear account have been arrested, or other unforeseen problem) how do we re-group?
finally, the dream of hexbear.su will come to fruition
There are secondary / tertiary methods of contact. People have accounts on other platforms like Twitter, Matrix, Telegram, Discord, Mastodon, Reddit, etc. There are other watering holes people can regain contact. The community would be utterly fractured, but such was the case when Reddit dropped the hammer on us. I think our past experience served well. Establish a life raft. Gather the troops. Plot a course forward.
That said, we were relatively lucky last time. The regime of censorship has sharpened significantly in the past four years since then. If the US government were to lean on Hexbear's ISP (or domain registrar), a life raft on a service like Discord would fold like a house of cards (not to mention being 100% wiretapped). We would need more robust options. There is the Matrix server, but it is tied up with the same infrastructure. The people who use it have accounts distributed among various Matrix servers though.
The fracturing of the community is what I worry about most. Sites and software and services come and go. All that matters is that the community can find each other again quickly.
I don't know how it works with hosting but we've got both lib.rehab and chapo.chat
No. We lost lib.rehab See for yourself.
Holy shit lmao
Damn
wait what, when did that happen??
The registration probably lapsed (because it was a meme domain) and somebody snapped it up in June 2023
While I'm at it, chapo.su also lapsed (but I doubt someone is going to bother stealing that. You need to apply and provide ID to the Russian state to register those domains. You can't just plug a credit card number into godaddy).
That's good to know, thank you! I've bookmarked both.
we need significantly more resilient communications infrastructure. though this applies equally to disaster prep since the internet is extremely fragile. i see this as a problem with a bunch of parts, but some of the main pieces look like this to me:
there are a bunch of shitty mesh apps and hardware components out there that may also be applicable, but its hard to get anything useful out of them without more planning and coordination. (meshtastic, briar, secure scuttlebutt, simplex, et al. come to mind)
i've been working on minibase for the micro-cloud component in an experimental capacity for years using alpine linux (just cuz i like it), but I've recently started working on a production version based on nix.
I think there is a strong tendency to put the cart before the horse when it comes to mesh networking. People imagine how cool it would be to have widespread mesh networks, but setting up a digital radio doohickey accomplishes nothing if there is nobody listening on the other end. We need social organizations first. Then, communications technology can be built to serve the needs of these organizations. It is very much a local organizing problem. The tech does not circumvent this.
The other issue of course is that mesh networks only work in very densely-populated areas.
I'm in full agreement on your points about organizing being the real task, not the tech side.
lemmy or lemmygrad both have Mali domain names, decent place to regroup if they aren't taken down at the same time. I think the hosting provider is the same though. Hoping the admins in charge of the infra and with access to that account aren't US-based though