• AernaLingus [any]
      ·
      15 days ago

      Oh shit, you cracked it for me

      Bunyan /bʌnjən/
      Funyun /fʌnjən/ (devoicing: /b/ -> /p/, spirantization: /p/ -> /f/)
      Hanya~n /haɲaɴ/ (debuccalization: /f/ -> /h/, plus handwaving away differences in English and Japanese phonology)

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
        hexagon
        ·
        edit-2
        15 days ago

        The original inspiration of the meme was the actual historical development of the ha-gyou in Japanese, i.e. /pana/ → /ɸana/ → /hana/ — So basically I heard Sakura say "hanya~n" and for some reason I thought "a hypothetical Middle Japanese form of that would be *ɸaɲaɴ, which sounds a bit like funyun, which is mildly amusing" — And then I decided to make a meme out of that random thought. Except because *paɲaɴ doesn't quite sound like anything funny, I had to do *baɲaɴ instead just so the rule of threes would work. But PIE *bʰréh₂tēr to Latin frater so it checks out.

        • AernaLingus [any]
          ·
          15 days ago

          I really ought to read up some on historical Japanese linguistics. I did a teensy bit in uni, but it was pretty surface level because it was in a course for non-linguists. A professor of mine recommended Bjarke Frellesvig's A History of the Japanese Language so perhaps I'll start there.

          Also Grimm's law my beloved

          Also also thank you for creating and posting this meme specifically for me cat-trans

          • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
            hexagon
            ·
            15 days ago

            I don't know how petty this is to point out but *bʰ becoming /f/ in *bʰréh₂tēr to frater is not an example of Grimm's law — *t becoming /ð/ in *bʰréh₂tēr to brother is. Grimm's law is a specific chain shift affecting only the Germanic languages, which Latin decidedly is not an example of.

            • AernaLingus [any]
              ·
              15 days ago

              No, not petty at all! I must have glossed over the Latin part, since I know it's specifically a Germanic thing. Oh, frother!

              • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
                hexagon
                ·
                15 days ago

                Well, not just that it's a specifically Germanic thing, but that Grimm's law says that PIE *bʰ corresponds to PGmc *b, just as PIE *b corresponds to PGmc *p, and PIE *p corresponds to PGmc *f.