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- spaceflight@sh.itjust.works
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- spaceflight@sh.itjust.works
The unmanned craft was due to make a soft landing on the Moon's south pole, but failed after encountering problems as it moved into its pre-landing orbit.
It was Russia's first Moon mission in almost 50 years.
Russia has been racing to the Moon's south pole against India, whose Chandrayaan-3 spacecraft is scheduled to land on there next week.
No country has ever landed on the south pole before, although both the US and China have landed softly on the Moon's surface.
No report on whether or not Russia was attempting to use repurposed anti-ship missiles like the ones they use to attack schools and hospitals here on Earth.
"You made me do this" is literal abuser logic.
Don't compare committing a violent coup against them with not having dinner ready you cynical piece of shit
Alright, I'll bite. Whom do you mean by "them" and what coup are you referring to?
but they did make it that way, they fanned the fires of fascism and neoliberalism in the USSR since its inception. Its funny that you're surprised that you're getting burned as well.
There's a phrase I never thought I'd see used unironically (or at all), but here we are.
I mean people of differing politics will exist in every country
also Yeltsin was a communist party member before the traitor sold out humanity, so the roots existed and were there. Neoliberalism and fascism was a tumor planted in the USSR and tenderly cared for by the US and the capitalist world order.
Also calling it in a few decades when they reveal Yeltsin was a plant
So was Trump, so I'd say the US and Russia are even on that score.
bro how in the hell would russia own a US billionaire
also how is this a own trump could jump off a cliff after yeltsin, why do you think thats an own
In case your question is a serious one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
Why would you assume it's meant to be "a own"? I have no sympathy for either of those two shithole countries, the world would be a better place if they caused each other to balkanize and descend into chaos.
Even if your crank russiagate bullshit was true, Trump unfortunately did not actually destroy his country like Yeltsin did, so there's still a score to settle.
WTF are you even talking about. Last I checked, Russia was unfortunately still alive and kicking.
The Russian Federation is not what Yeltsin destroyed, he destroyed the Russian Soviet Republic and indirectly the USSR in general. The government controlling America now is the same one that controlled it in 2015.
Interesting, I thought Gorbachev was usually credited with that. In any case, yeah, sure, the name and flag changed, but not much else as far as I can tell. Hell, their current president is a former KGB agent, and I'm sure the vast bulk of the government bureaucracy remained in place (because that's what happened in my country as well), so there's plenty of continutity. I remember seeing Yeltsin on TV back in the 90s drunk as a lord proclaiming that "we will be the ones to dictate". I really don't see how liberalism is to blame for the decline of Russia then or now.
Really calling out your own ignorance here.
You're going to have some strong fucking culture shock if you keep up with this general smug sarcastic redditor behavior of yours. That shit doesn't go nearly as far here unless you're straight up looking for abuse. You replied to me in this thread asking about the 1993 coup in Russia like you never heard of it and I don't know if it's just because you are completely ignorant of the subject or if you're just trolling with leading questions because your overall attitude has been smarmy as shit.
Ooh, did I touch a nerve? Good! If you don't like the taste of your own medicine, I suggest you stop spreading it around with a shovel. If you snark at me, don't be surprised when I snark back harder. Be respectful if you're looking for the same in return. And don't flatter yourself, you're about thirty years too late to give me a culture shock by being rude to me on the internet.
I asked what coup you meant because you didn't make it clear which one you were talking about, and I thought you might be a typical Kremlin shill spreading the narrative that the evil West was behind Yanukovych' ousting in Ukraine in 2014. Too bad, it'd have been a lot of fun picking that apart. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up, much obliged.
OooOooOOoo someone commented on my BeHaIvIOr, guess I'm FUCKING WINNING since they're TRIGGEREDDD LOLZ!
Go back to reddit. You don't belong here. The sophomoric shit. The debatebro attitude. Starting every sentences with some snarky preface. You're shit. Go back to where people are shit.
Judging by my interactions with you, that place is here. But I'll give this place the benefit of the doubt, maybe you're the exception.
Yeah. Bravo on turning "No U" into two and a half sentences.
You came here smug as shit not knowing a fucking thing like you were going to school people and you couldn't even follow the conversation well enough to know what it was about. No one needs someone that fucking dumb and smug injecting themselves into a conversation anywhere. Fuck off.
Apparently even those two sentences were too much for you to understand, so let me simplify it further for you: No.
I am schooling you, but unfortunately you can only explain stuff to people, you can't understand it for them. As for injecting oneself into a conversation, you're the one who replied to me, genius.
In your entire user history the only time you ever tried to explain anything to anyone is when you linked a 2021 piece of Maddow brainrot making the case that Trump was a foreign asset because a guy on a book tour said so.
See, this is the first comment you managed to write that's actually hurtful. I'm sure you've experienced a situation where you're enthusiastically telling something to somebody, only to realize halfway through they're not even listening to you. That's how I feel right now. I mean, I'm sure it's not for a lack of trying on your part, but still.
You came to tell people something three decades removed from the actual subject at hand.
Unfortunately it remains as relevant as ever.
Decades after numbnuts.
Given that the subject at hand is an event that happened two days ago, I find that rather unlikely. You should've been paying attention to what I've been trying to teach you.
1993 was not two days ago
I was trying to gently remind you that this post is about Russia's debacle regarding its moon probe. Though to be fair, after a conversation this long, I should've known that subtlety would go right over your head. So, uh... congratulations, I guess? You finally managed to trick me into making a mistake of some sort, though no doubt unintentionally.
Stop acting like you're not literally the stupidest person in the room.
This is the quote you first reacted to:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3781001
This is your dumb fuck troll response where you acted like you even fucking read what I just quoted in the first place:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3785916
Here's me wrongly making fun of you saying something stupid under the impression you even knew what the fuck topic we were talking about:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3788389
Here's you being an even BIGGER fucking idiot getting excited to go all debate bro on me over you hearing the word 'coup':
https://hexbear.net/comment/3792045
And here I am responding in a nearby branch scolding you for being an insufferable idiot who shoved his nose into a conversation you shouldn't have joined in the first place:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3793420
At this point everyone including you realizes how fucking stupid you look and how badly you fucked up. And now you've gotten to the point where you're lying about what literally just happened.
If you're ashamed enough of yourself to lie you're ashamed enough to fucking crawl into a hole and not be seen.
That's a very nice chain of responses you have there, it's a shame you didn't follow it quite all the way to the top. Maybe you should do that, don't you think?
You requested that I fuck off like three times already to no effect, and here you are repeating yourself yet again. And I'm the stupid one here? Bruh!
I'm stupid for having kept receipts on what I'm talking about and sufficiently proving you're a fucking idiot and have behaved as one.
You're not stupid because you can shit out a troll reply as if none of this affects you.
The fuck you mean, "as if"? It doesn't affect me. What part of "don't flatter yourself" did you find difficult to understand?
Also, it wasn't a troll reply. You want to look at the context of the conversation? Sure, go ahead. But look at all of it, don't stop at an arbitrary point. Go all the way up the chain of replies.
You're an idiot. I proved it. It doesn't affect you.
So your self image is already aligned with the observation. Good.
Yes, that giant emoji was very convincing evidence. I don't think I could possibly make a bigger one, so I have no choice but to concede the point.
Tell me what you think the point is please
The point is the same as it's been this entire time, you're trying and failing to insult me. It's a futile effort, I wouldn't get offended even if your insults were any good, and quite frankly they suck. I mean, you haven't told me that you fucked my mom last night even once during this entire conversation! Whatever would your classmates think?
You had the entire conversation quoted to you and explained line by line
You have no excuse to get that question wrong
Try again
I didn't get it wrong. You started this conversation with an insult, I told you to knock it off, you didn't, and so here we are.
but that was not the topic
I don't need additional proof that you have actual shit instead of a brain
try again and actually try this time please
What part of "no" did you find unclear?
The part where it's a single word being quoted without context
Tough shit.
Okay? You were the one mad about it
Resorting to gaslighting now, are we? What a stupid move on a forum where the conversation is preserved.
yeah here you are being mad at me apparently not understanding something that you say is tough shit (for me) when I asked you about
weirdo
The insult was justified and universally received with approval from the rest of the website.
I wouldn't give two shits if the pope himself gave it his holy seal of approval.
No it doesn't seem like you care about what the outside world has to say about anything
I hate to break it to you, but you're only a very small part of the world. Just because I don't care what you say doesn't mean there aren't people I respect and trust.
Yeah but you said the pope
Yes, the group of people I don't respect does include that pedo-protecting removed as well as you. You're in great company.
Do you respect yourself? Because half the quotes I used were you.
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Reading comprehension like thinking we're talking about Ukraine in 2014 and we're talking about Russia 1993? Reading comprehension like I humiliated you in front of the whole website over and you're still mad over? You think one of us lacks reading comprehension?
Yes, I just said so, and it seems you agree. Thanks for illustrating the point, I guess.
He said in his customary run on sentence
Another demonstration was not necessary, but thanks again.
Every time you post one of these, I find myself uncertain whether that's supposed to be me or you.
I guess it depends on who you think is more self aware.
Both, then. Which is actually perfectly in line with the dynamic of this conversation that I explained to you twice already, come to think of it. In other words, you finally managed to post something I can agree with. Yay progress!
Way too long a response for how invested I am in this fyi
In hindsight, same.
Acting like you read anything
In hindsight, I shouldn't have.
Finally some fucking self awareness from you. Now that you learned your lesson go fuck off back to reddit.
Nah.
Well enjoy getting shit on every time you act stupid
If the roasts are as laughable as yours, I definitely will. Why do you think I kept coming back to this conversation for so long?
Because I literally went step by step showing you were a fucking moron, explaining exactly how and where you showed that to be the case. So you spent the entire time since having to show off how unaffected you are and declare one hollow victory after another from "me proving you were right" one way or another
And you have terminal reddit brainworms so you can't disengage without a smug last word
Like this.
Your accusations are confessions. I'm not trying to 'roast' you. I called you out successfully. Now I'm just replying to inbox messages.
Are you saying that's what's happening here? Because so far as I can tell, you wander in here, say some absolute bullshit about Russia, cite a grand total of one source to try and "prove" that Trump is a Russian asset, and then devolve immediately into mudflinging when other people aren't buying your bullshit.
If you actually wanted to educate us, you'd do a better job of it. You'd write longer paragraphs actually trying to argue something. You'd cite more articles, maybe even some academic papers, show us some graphs, you know, give us more to work with than a single guardian article that's basically an ad for a book.
No, that's just an illustration of the feeling this conversation evokes in me. It's not that this guy isn't listening, he's not capable of understanding... well, anything, by the looks of it. His attempts at insults would be embarrassing even for a twelve-year-old.
If I wanted to educate people about things like history, yes, you'd be right. That's not the case in this conversation with this person. This guy decided to start a conversation with me with insults, so that's what we're exchanging, and I'm teaching by example. I'd love to have a more civilized conversation instead, but since he started with the insults, he has to be the one to make amends before that can happen. I told him as much quite some time go, but like everything else, it seems to have gone over his head. Or he's just not interested, which is also fine.
Ok, thanks for the clarification! Glad everyone is on the same page that this whole subthread is just slinging insults at each other. Sometimes that's what happens on the internet.
Could I suggest though, when you have time, that you try to learn more about the dissolution of the Soviet Union? Specifically check out stats like life expectancy, maternal mortality, average calories per day, stuff like that. You might find some interesting changes in about 1993. Learning more about the world is always good, you know?
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm from an Eastern Bloc country and have witnessed the changes first-hand.
Ok, but as we say in the sciences "anecdotes are not data"! What could it hurt to look at a couple of graphs? Also, are you old enough to have been at least a teenager in 1993? Real boomer hours over here, my god! (I'm totally joking, it's cool that there are sometimes people in their 40s and up on the internet)
You know what else isn't data? Insults. Which is the only thing anyone has posted in support of their opposition to what I said. Oh, and "spend your time looking up evidence for my point of view"? Also not data. So given that my much-ridiculed Guardian article is more than you lot have managed to come up with combined, I'd say it's more than good enough for this little corner of the internet.
Alrighty! If you'd rather, you could look for evidence that your point of view is correct. You could try and find evidence that current-day Russia and the Soviet Union are basically the same. It would be interesting to see what you find in trying to back up that view. But I don't know your life, you probably have important day-to-day things to deal with that don't give you much extra time to scour the internet for historical documents.
I don't need to scour the internet for historical documents, I just have to watch the news. Have you been keeping up with the news? Did you know that Russia invaded Ukraine to prevent it from switching allegiance to the West? Which is exactly what the USSR did to Czechoslovakia in 1968. Russia has fake elections and a de-facto dictator holding power for decades, just like the USSR did back in the good old days. It has strict censorship and state-controlled media brainwashing its population with bullshit. And its soldiers are still totally clueless and unprepared. I'm sure you noticed what a shambles the beginning of the invasion into Ukraine was, with some fresh recruits not even being told they were being marched straight to the front lines. We had a contingent of Russian troops in this country during the Cold War too. They got trucked here in the middle of the night and spent their time holed up in their Russian base in the middle of the woods with Russian signposts and a Russian commanding officer and didn't even know they weren't in Russia anymore. Gotta keep the cannon fodder in the dark about where they are and what they're doing, otherwise they might start asking questions, you know? I hate to break it to you, but Russia is still the same shithole and still acts in the same shitty way toward both its neighbors and its own citizens and troops. I'm sure you can comb the statistics and find some numbers that are different, but in the ways that actually matter, Russia hasn't changed one bit in a century.
I live in america, so keeping up with the news here (at least about the war in Ukraine) means reading an article about how Russia is hopelessly inept one day, and then two weeks later reading an article about how Russia is too prepared. The news, at least here in america, is not a great source of information, is what I'm saying.
I gotta say, some of the rest of your comment sounds fake as fuck too. Russian officers put up fake Russian signposts to trick recruits into thinking they're still in Russia? That's a wild claim, and one I'm going to spend some time looking into today. Who knows, maybe it's really true? If so, watch your inbox, you'll get a nice comment from me to which you may reply with the meanest, nastiest "I told you so" you can muster.
Those articles aren't contradictory. One is about static defenses, such as minefields, trenches, barricades, and anti-tank obstacles, which the Russians have had a long time to build, while the other is about a lack of manpower reserves to reinforce the front if/when needed.
No, not fake Russian signposts. Just signposts in Russian. For the Russian troops that didn't speak any other language than Russian. Signposts in the base pointing to different parts of the base and such. Every bit of text in that base was in Russian because it was staffed entirely by Russians.
Oh. Well that's a very different claim. I would expect a base full of Russian soldiers to have signage in Russian, just like I would expect a base full of american soldiers to have signage in english. That doesn't sound like the USSR tricking its soldiers, that sounds like the USSR trying to make it so soldiers aren't asking "where do I go" seventeen million times a day.
The point is the soldiers weren't told they were going to a different country and they were kept in a base built to look exactly like bases in Russia in the middle of the woods so that they didn't find out. That's been the Russian military doctrine for ever. The less the cannon fodder knows, the better.
Hell, when the last of the occupation forces left the country in 1991, they were very surprised there weren't throngs of people in the streets throwing flowers at them as thanks for their valuable service. Like... they didn't even realize they were reviled occupiers, they were completely clueless about what their military was doing and their role in it. It was a genuine "are we the baddies" moment.
It still doesn't sound specifically "Russian" to me that the low-level troops don't have a ton of information. I think that's just how militaries work? I do find it hard to believe that it's possible to trick soldiers into thinking they're in a different country than they actually are, at least for any amount of time. I've been googling various things for like half an hour now and I'm just literally not finding anything that suggests Soviets ever tricked their soldiers into believing they were somewhere they weren't. Can you give me something, anything to go on here?
By the way, I did find this article by googling "occupation forces 1991" and ignoring all the stuff about the us occupying Iraq. I had no idea that the USSR had so many troops all over Europe! Very interesting. For what it's worth, that article says that when the Soviets pulled out of Czechoslovakia, instead of rotten fruit and curses as they expected, they instead got flowers and warm words of farewell. There's a picture that seems to back this up, and a link to an article in Russian that I very much cannot read because I'm an idiot american.
But anyway, I have to get off the internet and actually live my life. If you give me some sources to look at about Soviets tricking their soldiers, I'll gladly take a look. Otherwise, I think I've learned about as much Soviet history as I'm going to today. Have a good day!
I'm given to understand that Western militaries actually explain to their soldiers where they're going and why. It helps things run smoothly for obvious reasons. The Russians do the opposite because to them, independent and informed thinking is a threat. As for sources, I have none. You're getting a second-hand account of the recollections of eyewitnesses. I don't even remember where I originally read them.
You do realize Russia Beyond is a propaganda mouthpiece like basically every other state-run media outlet in Russia, right? Of course they'll say we were sorry to see their soldiers go and we miss them very much to this day.
This part is definitely not true.
Damn. Ah well, nevertheless.
No, I didn't know that. I've never heard of them before today. I will point out that on their website they say "Russia Beyond falls under the umbrella of ANO TV-Novosti, an autonomous nonprofit organization." Of course, seeing how "autonomous nonprofit organizations" report on the news here in america, I know better to just blindly trust that they're autonomous. I'll put Russia Beyond into the same mental category as Radio Free Asia and the like, at least provisionally, until I learn more one way or the other.
Literally admitting that "coup" has become a pavlovian trigger word for you.
I like your username, seems very accurate. Maybe take that brain out of the box once in a while? Just a thought.
Lol, that attempt at a joke also seems to be part of the shitlib script.
Right. That must be it.
What?
That's not what they fucking said and also the comparison is senseless.