cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6324160

  • grandepequeno [he/him]
    ·
    edit-2
    1 hour ago

    Most fascists probably agree that china is socialist because they hate it

    • Pili [any, any]
      ·
      edit-2
      44 minutes ago

      Until you mention lifting people out of poverty, suddenly it becomes capitalist.

  • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]
    ·
    1 hour ago

    Asking this as somebody who wants the PRC to succeed in today's world.

    Specifically when people try to claim that the PRC' economy is socialist (as opposed to whether or not the government is), I do wonder what the argument for that point is? Because by the definitions of socialism/socialist societies/socialist economies that I have encountered, they all at the very least require elimination of the profit motive in the economy, which is obviously not the case in the case of the economy of the PRC, which literally features both companies owned by capitalists as well as co-ops, which operate on the profit motive.

    I also do question people's understanding of the implications of planned economies vs privatised economies (not just capitalism, as private property can exist without caitalists having any dominance as a class) when it comes to workers' rights. It very much feels like people - even socialists - do not understand just how different those are and how much of a boon absence of private property is.

  • Weedian [he/him]
    ·
    3 hours ago

    ok if its not socialist why can't we do what they do there? The People's Republic of China has only been improving for its entire existence

  • kittin [he/him]
    ·
    2 hours ago

    grillman I just want to create the necessary conditions under the leadership of the party