Adventurism works
Removed by modAt least when the target is generally regarded as evil by 90% of people. Just look at the front page of reddit, it's wall to wall shitting on UHC and being oddly supportive of violence for civility liberals (i'm assuming the astroturfers don't have a coherent line yet)
You act as if one dude with a gun can magically undo decades of extremely well funded society wide international propaganda campaigns
I'm acting like I'm watching terminally civility brain-ed redditors chomping at the bit for insurance CEO blood, a widespread sentiment this action has exposed, while you look at the same thing and go "this isn't anything"
Okay, well if the end result of this is a bunch of copycats murder hundreds of CEOs leading to widespread systemic change I'll admit I'm wrong. Do you really think that's going to happen?
I posted above - the biggest issue is that if any sort of copycat meme starts, these ghouls will just hire a bunch of private security and the odds will go way down.
I'm willing to be proven that
is wrong, but right now I just don't see it going anywhere without real organizing. If we got people with medical debt, denied claims, together in one room, etc. - then maybe this will galvanize something. On its own it's fun, but it's not a political movement yet.
Why's that the only outcome where you could see yourself acknowledging it having any effect whatsoever? choose your goalposts i guess
Because the only outcome that is relevant is a systemic one. Killing one dude does not make systemic change. I really don't understand what's so hard to understand about that.
I really don't understand what's so hard to understand about propaganda, especially propaganda which reveals that 90% of even the most civility poisoned liberals are supportive of this, having systemic effects. I don't understand why "inspiring copycat murders" is the only effect you would deem tangible.
"Organize" you cry, like organization or the will to organize appears from the aether and not from groups of people experiencing radicalizing events like this
Seems like an ideological commitment to the idea that violence towards our masters achieves nothing except in very narrow prescribed circumstances. IMO this is yall experiencing the last vestige of civility brainworms.
I love that you think I'm the ideological one here, when you're just blatantly ignoring hundreds of years of historical reality. That's honestly the funniest part of the entire exchange to me
P.s. my favorite part of this thread so far was the guy bringing up the Shinzo Abe shooter and how literally effective that was
You're going off on how this event, which has already inspired widespread discussion, admiration and support, will have no effect- despite those things in and of themselves BEING EFFECTS OF THIS ACTION. All because you won't be satisfied unless someone kills capitalism itself? lol ok
I've been seeing this incident spawn a lot of discourse about political and social violence which seems to be causing some "progressive Libs" suddenly have oddly materialist takes. Even r/neoliberal had some people discussing the brutal reality of the health insurance industry and the failure of the US system to do anything about it (while condemning the violence of course).
We can't say anything for sure yet but it does seem like this incident has triggered something in some people.
I guess I've seen it before enough times to know the libs always fall back in line eventually. By this time next week they'll all be "the rule of law" and "yes we need change but that's why you vote this isn't the way". Nothing ever happens it's always the same shit forever without actual organizing.
yeah but what if that guy is cool and also hot
If he's literally gigachad and spends the rest of his life doing the same then maybe