Maybe. I'm just putting this up here as I hadn't seen it here yet.
Maybe he's good, maybe he's not. I don't actually think it matters. What matters is what he did and that people think that's cool and good. The rest is white noise in my opinion, people really won't care.
It's probably better that there's no solid indication he's a raging liberal OR a raging chud. It means neither of the two halves of the working class will disown him on basis of being the "other team", which is always the biggest risk.
You said you'd support him even if he was a full right wing nutjob innit? That's completely fucked
The incoherent little guy that he is? Sure, but that's not what you said. Problematic people who hit the right target still have potential, but there's a limit.
There is not a limit provided the right targets are hit.
Everyone on this site critically supporting Iran, Assad, Russia, etc etc is supporting far worse than a right winger who targets the ruling class for exactly the right reasons that are beneficial to the working class.
You're looking for reasons to drop him instead of focusing on the important aspects of class war - Does this benefit our side in the class war? If the answer is yes, then support should be given. Just as is done with anti-imperialist war.
Thought you were one of the others. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
In anti-imperialism we ask ourselves the central question: Does this benefit imperialism or does this benefit anti-imperialism in the world?
If the answer is imperialism, we oppose it, and vice versa for the other, even in cases where they may be religious fundamentalists that do incredibly bad awful things like current Iran.
In class war our attitude should be the same: Does this benefit the working class or does this benefit the bourgeoisie?
If the answer is the working class we should support it, regardless of the issues with the person carrying it out.
A lot of people aren't taking "class war" seriously enough.
I think it's gross to so publicly cope away this person's blatantly problematic beliefs making others uncomfortable so you can land a percieved win for socialism and then when someone plainly says "you make me uncomfortable" in a direct response to you soapboxing, you act like you've been viscously attacked.
Iranians aren't Amerikans. That absolute techbro settler was talking about "DEI" and "woke" on his fuckin twitter page; that kind of talk gets PEOPLE LIKE ME TARGETED you absolute fucking cracker
Mentalities like yours are what I'm talking about when I say 'white hexbear'; cause even if you ain't a cracker you sure as fuck think like one. So what, you're gonna sit there and tell me that all it takes for say, a SJW poster to absolve themselves of reaction in your eyes is to kill one easily-replaced CEO that ends up profiting the company they're trying to destroy?
Why is your situation different to the situation of Iranian women or queer people?
You are targeted yes. I understand and agree with that (me too btw). So are they by the Iranian government. And yet you support Iran who murder and oppress millions under an anti-imperialist position but won't support someone that says the word woke despite their actions being actively good for the cause and side we're on and that supporting them might lead to more of the same?
First of all, you assume my support for Iran is some blanket thing like I'm out here hitting the mat five times a day. My support for Iran has always been a critical thing focused on little else but the destruction of the illegitimate settler-colony in the Middle East. It profits me nothing to align myself IN ANY WAY WITH THE CASTE THAT STILL OPPRESSES MINE IN MY OWN FUCKING COUNTRY.
You may as well ask me to fight for the soul of this soulless nation next to a fucking klansman; as such, I'm fucking done with this conversation. This is the most rank cracker shit I've ever had to read on this godforsaken forum; and anything else I can say about either this situation or what I think of you would fall under the concept of 'fedposting'.
You are no comrade of mine if this is what your understanding of Amerikan theory looks like. Once again, you mfers showing and proving why I only organize with Black formations.
"You may as well ask me to fight for the soul of this soulless nation next to a fucking klansman" yeah, that's what a lot of Iranians say also say when I talk to them too. In fact, I've seen this statement from an Iranian verbatim before.
Maybe. I'm just putting this up here as I hadn't seen it here yet.
Maybe he's good, maybe he's not. I don't actually think it matters. What matters is what he did and that people think that's cool and good. The rest is white noise in my opinion, people really won't care.
It's probably better that there's no solid indication he's a raging liberal OR a raging chud. It means neither of the two halves of the working class will disown him on basis of being the "other team", which is always the biggest risk.
agreed
Lmao he literally liked Elon must/Anti DEI/anti woke slop. How far backwards do you need to bend over to keep this guy on a pedestal?
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fuck off?
You'll support Iran but you won't support someone that targeted and killed a member of the ruling class because they have some brainworms?
If it spawns a range of further similar events it's well worth it.
You said you'd support him even if he was a full right wing nutjob innit? That's completely fucked
The incoherent little guy that he is? Sure, but that's not what you said. Problematic people who hit the right target still have potential, but there's a limit.
There is not a limit provided the right targets are hit.
Everyone on this site critically supporting Iran, Assad, Russia, etc etc is supporting far worse than a right winger who targets the ruling class for exactly the right reasons that are beneficial to the working class.
You're looking for reasons to drop him instead of focusing on the important aspects of class war - Does this benefit our side in the class war? If the answer is yes, then support should be given. Just as is done with anti-imperialist war.
I'm literally not, you're arguing with yourself here lmao
Thought you were one of the others. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
In anti-imperialism we ask ourselves the central question: Does this benefit imperialism or does this benefit anti-imperialism in the world?
If the answer is imperialism, we oppose it, and vice versa for the other, even in cases where they may be religious fundamentalists that do incredibly bad awful things like current Iran.
In class war our attitude should be the same: Does this benefit the working class or does this benefit the bourgeoisie?
If the answer is the working class we should support it, regardless of the issues with the person carrying it out.
A lot of people aren't taking "class war" seriously enough.
You make me uncomfortable
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All of this is your head canon
I think it's gross to so publicly cope away this person's blatantly problematic beliefs making others uncomfortable so you can land a percieved win for socialism and then when someone plainly says "you make me uncomfortable" in a direct response to you soapboxing, you act like you've been viscously attacked.
And I'm the unserious one 🙃
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Stop talking to me.
Alright, the bit's over; you can stop the crackerposting
You'll support Iran but you won't support someone that targeted and killed a member of the ruling class because they have some brainworms?
If it spawns a range of further similar events it's well worth it.
Iranians aren't Amerikans. That absolute techbro settler was talking about "DEI" and "woke" on his fuckin twitter page; that kind of talk gets PEOPLE LIKE ME TARGETED you absolute fucking cracker
Mentalities like yours are what I'm talking about when I say 'white hexbear'; cause even if you ain't a cracker you sure as fuck think like one. So what, you're gonna sit there and tell me that all it takes for say, a SJW poster to absolve themselves of reaction in your eyes is to kill one easily-replaced CEO that ends up profiting the company they're trying to destroy?
Get fucking real.
Why is your situation different to the situation of Iranian women or queer people?
You are targeted yes. I understand and agree with that (me too btw). So are they by the Iranian government. And yet you support Iran who murder and oppress millions under an anti-imperialist position but won't support someone that says the word woke despite their actions being actively good for the cause and side we're on and that supporting them might lead to more of the same?
These principles are not consistent.
First of all, you assume my support for Iran is some blanket thing like I'm out here hitting the mat five times a day. My support for Iran has always been a critical thing focused on little else but the destruction of the illegitimate settler-colony in the Middle East. It profits me nothing to align myself IN ANY WAY WITH THE CASTE THAT STILL OPPRESSES MINE IN MY OWN FUCKING COUNTRY.
You may as well ask me to fight for the soul of this soulless nation next to a fucking klansman; as such, I'm fucking done with this conversation. This is the most rank cracker shit I've ever had to read on this godforsaken forum; and anything else I can say about either this situation or what I think of you would fall under the concept of 'fedposting'.
You are no comrade of mine if this is what your understanding of Amerikan theory looks like. Once again, you mfers showing and proving why I only organize with Black formations.
I'm not american.
"You may as well ask me to fight for the soul of this soulless nation next to a fucking klansman" yeah, that's what a lot of Iranians say also say when I talk to them too. In fact, I've seen this statement from an Iranian verbatim before.
I'm personally not gonna defend this guy's shifty opinions I just genuinely don't believe it was him.
Why can't we all just laugh at his now infamous bit instead of weirdo takes. Tbh though the more stuff I see the more I'm starting to think patsy.
To the extent it matters what is the most correct take, this is the most correct take IMO.