Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

    • Dessa [she/her]
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      8 days ago

      It would be one thing if he was the leader of an org, or in a position to seize political power. It'd be important then to get a full picture of who he is because the breadth of his views would be consequential. But he's just a guy who did a good thing for a good reason. My saying this doesnt excuse his other beliefs, but turning this event into an evaluation of his other beliefs is blunting a revolutionary moment.

      For once, the left and right are in agreement that the bourgeoisie are contributing to the misery of the working class. Let's please not squander this

    • newmou [he/him]
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      8 days ago

      Right? We’re not using Luigi as a vector for radicalization, we’re admiring the moment of radicalization he brought on by himself in the masses by killing a CEO. Have some fun jfc

      • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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        8 days ago

        Communists literally sent humanity to space.

        Like I get making fun of the paralysis of the modern leftist in the west, but it's wild to me what people will broadly describe communists as in effecting when it created two super powers from peasantry.

        • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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          8 days ago

          Yeah that’s fair, I was only thinking of US leftists (including myself) in this context. That statement does not apply to historical international communist movements.

          • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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            8 days ago

            Even US leftist hasn't been totally uneventful. Civil rights, Pride riots, etc. Also the West has to deal with being in the heart of the beast and surrounded by the brunt of propaganda.

            I dunno... I just feel like sometimes when people say the western left is ineffectual, it comes across as defeatist.

            • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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              8 days ago

              I don’t think we have to be ineffectual. I think we are capable of getting our shit together.

              Discourse like the OP does not inspire optimism, however.

            • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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              8 days ago

              It's some white savior shit where thinking cause you're not gonna be the leaders of the global revolution you may as well not do anything and let the third world take on the entire project under the veil of third worldism or whatever. If you're inside the wall it doesn't matter thst you support those on the outside until.you start bsdhing some wall from the inside as well.

              • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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                8 days ago

                Not instantly winning in the face of enormous power doesn't mean all efforts are pointless. We have managed to do some good things. Managing to wake a lot of people up to the genocide of Palestine, for one.

                • Bidentime [none/use name]
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                  8 days ago

                  Man i get it. I'm a Cubs fan. I under stand small wins here and there. But eventually you need a 2016 or people are going to eventually stop caring.

                  Also gaza is more the doing of Israel posting crazy shit non stop and thinking it was perfectly normal.

        • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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          8 days ago

          Pretty clear what type of communist is being made fun of. You don’t criticize disco elysium for not sufficiently acknowledging the achievements of communism

        • TrashGoblin [he/him, they/them]
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          8 days ago

          Communists literally sent humanity to space.

          Parent post really should have said "western communists" or "communists in the imperial core".

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        8 days ago

        What did he do? Dead guy's position was immediately replaced and nothing has changed.

        • Dessa [she/her]
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          7 days ago

          It's not just about what he did, but what we do in response to that. Do we dissolve into the same old petty bickering, or do we use this moment? We can't use this moment if people are chilled from talking about it

        • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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          8 days ago

          I’ll paraphrase Hasan here: he got the Lindas and the Barbaras on Facebook saying “Yeah! Kill another one!”

          He got Ben Shapiro’s audience saying “Actually, Ben, it’s not just the left celebrating.”

          It’s a stirring of class consciousness. He’s certainly not going to lead a movement, but he awakened something. It’s up to us what we do with it.

          (I am of course referring to writing strongly-worded letters and making evocative, edgy signs for our peaceful protests. That sort of thing.)

        • SevenSkalls [he/him]
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          8 days ago

          I've never seen so much class consciousness online before, nor so many people talking about healthcare in our country since Bernie Sanders ran 5 and 10 years ago. The left AND right is celebrating this. That's the first I've ever seen.

          There's also a huge disconnect between the media's propaganda and what normal, working-class people think about this. We can leverage that wedge to show how wrong the media has been this whole time.

          It's also the first time I've seen people be for violence that isn't wielded by the state. This is sparking unprecedented revolutionary discourse that the left cannot squander.

        • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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          8 days ago

          He does have some of the beliefs, though. His Reddit posting history talked about how we live in a capitalist society so doctors only take chronic pain seriously if you tell them you can’t do your job.

          He is not a Marxist and his actions did more to advance class consciousness than most of us on this website have probably ever done and he is kind of a douchebag tech bro rich kid who likes Elon Musk. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Idk what to make of it, but murdering a CEO because the US is number one in healthcare spending and number 42 in life expectancy is praxis.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          8 days ago

          His beliefs seem simple. Parasites are harming people. They're causing horrific healthcare experiences, which he had first hand. Nothing will change without taking matters into own hands. Class war should be waged against them.

          These beliefs are fine and they are the only relevant beliefs to why he carried this out as far as we can tell.

    • Sulvor [he/him, undecided]
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      8 days ago

      People are criticizing others for heralding him as some sort of leftist saint.

      Something something right twice a day

      • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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        8 days ago

        Me: “But who is doing this?! I haven’t seen it.”

        Me logging into Twitter an hour later: 😬😬😬

        Show

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          8 days ago

          Cultural heroes and mythic heroes don't need to have anything in common with the historical figure they're based on. The Adjuster doesn't have to have anything in common with Liugi. Most people are never going to read this guys manifesto. They're just going to see memes of him merking a CEO. The real person is not as important as the legend and the narrative built around that legend.

          • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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            8 days ago

            Agree. The Adjuster is a mythical figure we created with our collective consciousness. The Adjuster is bigger than Luigi. We do not need to (and probably should not) merge them into one.

        • SevenSkalls [he/him]
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          8 days ago

          I think OP's post is an overreaction, but this... This is weird lol.