I love that y'all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea
Lol yeah they're thinking about the coming winter, or the reality that they aren't even allowed to leave their country (for all but the most privileged) unfortunately
[...] the Security Council today further tightened sanctions on the country, severely restricting fuel imports and other trade, as well as the ability of its citizens to work abroad.
Also acquired in the context of preventing the world superpower from killing 20 percent of them again without them having to spend so much on their conventional military.
Quick, tell me about the taean work system, which is used in all medium and large workplaces, without googling it. Since you're so informed about the dprk
(The point of this is to make you reconsider how much you actually know about the country that isnt just straight up propaganda)
I'll meet you: without googling I believe that is a work transfer system with China. I think it's rail based, and I think they stay for some time.
But they aren't free to go where they please, or leave the region entirely without ramifications.
Edit cause I was honest: I was wrong.
But are you purporting this agricultural system as effective?
Further I assume you bring that no fact up as argument that collectivist style policy is effective and happening, I would argue it is ineffective and still only a farce under authoritarianism. Else why would nk receive aid, and experience famine?
Lastly, I don't need to know the economic history of the country to know where they are now. It's not propaganda that got me here, it's their own words and reports.
But are you purporting this agricultural system as effective?
It isnt their agricultural system, I would suggest you reread the whole thing because you've missed the most important aspect of what taean means. It means a collaboration between organized local labor and wider democracy, overseen by special interests such as the woman's league.
Further I assume you bring that no fact up as argument that collectivist style policy is effective and happening, I would argue it is ineffective and still only a farce under authoritarianism. Else why would nk receive aid, and experience famine?
Why would you argue it is ineffective? Studies show the cooperatives work better than privately owned businesses. Also you haven't established that the dprk is "authoritarian" any more than any other state.
They experienced famine after the collapse of the USSR, theyre doing fine on food now.
Lastly, I don't need to know the economic history of the country to know where they are now. It's not propaganda that got me here, it's their own words and reports.
Well, you should. They tried to liberate the south when the US and US puppet dictator were killing tens of thousands of protestors. 20 percent of them died and all their infrastructure was bombed. After the war they did better under a socialist economy than the South until the US massively subsidized the South and the USSR collapsed, cutting off trade because of sanctions from the people who committed genocide on them (the US)
I would like to know what "own words and reports" you're referring to.
It's not propaganda that got me here, it's their own words and reports.
This is an unusual claim, as most people do not let the DPRK speak for itself, even to then refute it. All you see is third hand horseshit along with defector "testimony".
They are not the same, but it is America sanctioning both of them, and despite your worthless disavowed, your claim still rests on the tacit assumption that it is fairly arbitrating which civilian population deserves to suffer for decades.
Very few people fleeing the country do it via the dmz. They go through China (and get on a boat) because it's actually pretty easy for them to go to China. Trying to cross the DMZ is liable to get them shot at by troops on both sides because you really aren't supposed to cross without authorization, including southerners going north.
If "on the planet" you mean primarily the U.S and secondarily the rest of the "west" while excluding the majority of humanity on the planet, then sure.
You're so brainwashed and conditioned into believing you have more in common with some ghoul billionaire that values your life insofar as much as they can extract wealth out of you than your own fellow worker.
Obligatory comment that brainwashing is a myth rooted in orientalism and later pseudoscience, propagated by the US in order to make excuses for US soldiers defecting during the Korean War (et al).
I mean everywhere that isn't China or Russia or one of their satellites/annexes yeah.
Not sure where you got the billionaire thing, I've never defended them, in word or action. (Living in a capitalist country and needing a job for resources doesn't make me a billionaire apologist)
Liberalism and billionaire worship are not the same thing, same as communism and xi are not the same thing.
To be clear: just because xi figuratively leads a communist country doesn't mean this policy is perfectly communist.
Same thing goes for billionaires existing in a liberal society.
Lastly, the existence of either doesn't invalidate the tenets of either ideology
Xi is no different than any other billionaire shit head most of the communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses
This is incoherent. Xi has administrative control (or influence) over state enterprises, but he isn't getting profits or stock options from them, so there are no grounds for calling him a billionaire
communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses
This is like saying you became a police commissioner to gain control over local police cars. Yeah, an explicit part of your job is that you can direct them, but the claim is so tautological that it looks like you are saying something else. It's not like Xi will retain control of these enterprises after he leaves office.
Xi first started geting so much hate from the west because he actually started purging communist party members for being too involved in the private sector. If he was encouraging the bourgeoisification of the CPC he would be hailed by the west.
A handle does not imply gender, I've been around since early IRC and it's never been true.
I referred to you as "y'all" when I replied directly. When I replied later I didn't even look at your name again, or remember who you were. I replied to "shimmering koi". Is that a fish person? Obviously not.
I fucking hate tankies but I have zero issue with any gender, pronoun, sexuality, race, ethnicity, etc. If I ever had to talk to you again, I'd be fine to refer to you as whatever you want. But I wouldn't remember you because this is a anonymous social media platform and identify is meaningless.
I am pretty sure "classist" is seen as a valid insult even among radlibs, and many other people believe in equivalent terms ("elitist" is not too far off)
That's even sillier, since American parlance is definitely not universal and in most countries the colloquial meaning of "liberal" is essentially that of a market-loving centrist
Also, obviously, real-world American leftists use it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdqQ2BdgOA
You say "again," but that's a radically different claim from "this is an insult nowhere in the real world". Even in neoliberal states it's often an insult!
stay classist,
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I love that y'all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea
Don't worry, absolutely no one there is thinking about internet liberals, the DPRK lives rent-free in your head though
Lol yeah they're thinking about the coming winter, or the reality that they aren't even allowed to leave their country (for all but the most privileged) unfortunately
This is true, do you know who keeps them inside though? The United Nations' Security Council.
Security Council Tightens Sanctions on Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2397 (2017)
So when they cross the dmz are they loaded in a catapult and sent back?
Hilarious joke, almost as funny as supporting sanctions that kill people because the sanctioned country has a scary ideology you know nothing about.
Uh huh. Keep defending them, very impressive. I wonder how the government of nk earned those sanctions?
Indeed their people suffer in more.ways than one.
I'm sure folks worried about food are the ones not finding work abroad 🙄
Acquiring nuclear warheads and weapons that can be used with said warheads, the same thing Israel did and wasn't punished for, I wonder why that is...
(hint: one of these states is an American puppet!)
Also acquired in the context of preventing the world superpower from killing 20 percent of them again without them having to spend so much on their conventional military.
"We do horrible things to them, but we're the good guys so they must deserve it"
Quick, tell me about the taean work system, which is used in all medium and large workplaces, without googling it. Since you're so informed about the dprk
(The point of this is to make you reconsider how much you actually know about the country that isnt just straight up propaganda)
I'll meet you: without googling I believe that is a work transfer system with China. I think it's rail based, and I think they stay for some time.
But they aren't free to go where they please, or leave the region entirely without ramifications.
Edit cause I was honest: I was wrong.
But are you purporting this agricultural system as effective?
Further I assume you bring that no fact up as argument that collectivist style policy is effective and happening, I would argue it is ineffective and still only a farce under authoritarianism. Else why would nk receive aid, and experience famine?
Lastly, I don't need to know the economic history of the country to know where they are now. It's not propaganda that got me here, it's their own words and reports.
It isnt their agricultural system, I would suggest you reread the whole thing because you've missed the most important aspect of what taean means. It means a collaboration between organized local labor and wider democracy, overseen by special interests such as the woman's league.
Why would you argue it is ineffective? Studies show the cooperatives work better than privately owned businesses. Also you haven't established that the dprk is "authoritarian" any more than any other state.
They experienced famine after the collapse of the USSR, theyre doing fine on food now.
Well, you should. They tried to liberate the south when the US and US puppet dictator were killing tens of thousands of protestors. 20 percent of them died and all their infrastructure was bombed. After the war they did better under a socialist economy than the South until the US massively subsidized the South and the USSR collapsed, cutting off trade because of sanctions from the people who committed genocide on them (the US)
I would like to know what "own words and reports" you're referring to.
This is an unusual claim, as most people do not let the DPRK speak for itself, even to then refute it. All you see is third hand horseshit along with defector "testimony".
This is such a deranged thing to say. Do you think this about Cuba too?
Cuba and north Korea are not the same country fyi
America bad, if it helps you clock out
They are not the same, but it is America sanctioning both of them, and despite your worthless disavowed, your claim still rests on the tacit assumption that it is fairly arbitrating which civilian population deserves to suffer for decades.
So you're against the sanctions against Cuba, but for the sanctions against the DPRK?
Please enlighten me on why you think that is?
Also do you think the DPRK is a real sovreign nation?
say dumb shit about modern nk all you want, but saying they deserved it makes you purely evil if you know the context of the korean civil war
No they give them lots of money so they can be used as propaganda, like that lady that claimed NK moved trains with people and ate mud.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39170614
Very few people fleeing the country do it via the dmz. They go through China (and get on a boat) because it's actually pretty easy for them to go to China. Trying to cross the DMZ is liable to get them shot at by troops on both sides because you really aren't supposed to cross without authorization, including southerners going north.
If "on the planet" you mean primarily the U.S and secondarily the rest of the "west" while excluding the majority of humanity on the planet, then sure.
You're so brainwashed and conditioned into believing you have more in common with some ghoul billionaire that values your life insofar as much as they can extract wealth out of you than your own fellow worker.
Obligatory comment that brainwashing is a myth rooted in orientalism and later pseudoscience, propagated by the US in order to make excuses for US soldiers defecting during the Korean War (et al).
I mean everywhere that isn't China or Russia or one of their satellites/annexes yeah.
Not sure where you got the billionaire thing, I've never defended them, in word or action. (Living in a capitalist country and needing a job for resources doesn't make me a billionaire apologist)
Liberalism and billionaire worship are not the same thing, same as communism and xi are not the same thing.
To be clear: just because xi figuratively leads a communist country doesn't mean this policy is perfectly communist.
Same thing goes for billionaires existing in a liberal society.
Lastly, the existence of either doesn't invalidate the tenets of either ideology
None of that makes any sense
Xi is no different than any other billionaire shit head most of the communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses
The cia literally called him redder than red and unable to be corrupted by money lmao
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09BEIJING3128_a.html
This is incoherent. Xi has administrative control (or influence) over state enterprises, but he isn't getting profits or stock options from them, so there are no grounds for calling him a billionaire
This is like saying you became a police commissioner to gain control over local police cars. Yeah, an explicit part of your job is that you can direct them, but the claim is so tautological that it looks like you are saying something else. It's not like Xi will retain control of these enterprises after he leaves office.
Xi first started geting so much hate from the west because he actually started purging communist party members for being too involved in the private sector. If he was encouraging the bourgeoisification of the CPC he would be hailed by the west.
Tell me you know nothing about the PRC without saying you know nothing about the PRC
Sure dude xi is such a great leader real humanitarian bro I've read more about that scumbag than you will ever know
I'm sure you've read plenty of propaganda
Your right no propaganda in china from the state controlled no independent media allowed
Pray tell what "independent media" do you mean? Do you mean news corps owned by billionaires that definitely aren't biased because reasons?
if so I am bound by law to call you a fucking moron
You think corporate controled media is better?
We can agree on that
Of course you agree on something that's bullshit about an AES
Nice whataboutism you centrist liberal tankie!!!
That must be why you felt the need to respond to it.
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This is a massage board where we reply to each other see silly Billy 😜
My pronouns are right next to my username, and you still can't get them right. Real fucking classy.
I literally can't see them in voyager
Didn't know that, but my username has girl right in it, so still no excuse to assume I'm male.
A handle does not imply gender, I've been around since early IRC and it's never been true.
I referred to you as "y'all" when I replied directly. When I replied later I didn't even look at your name again, or remember who you were. I replied to "shimmering koi". Is that a fish person? Obviously not.
I fucking hate tankies but I have zero issue with any gender, pronoun, sexuality, race, ethnicity, etc. If I ever had to talk to you again, I'd be fine to refer to you as whatever you want. But I wouldn't remember you because this is a anonymous social media platform and identify is meaningless.
I forgot to block you in the first place lol
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I am pretty sure "classist" is seen as a valid insult even among radlibs, and many other people believe in equivalent terms ("elitist" is not too far off)
Referring to "lib"
That's even sillier, since American parlance is definitely not universal and in most countries the colloquial meaning of "liberal" is essentially that of a market-loving centrist
Also, obviously, real-world American leftists use it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdqQ2BdgOA
Again, to millions and millions a "market loving centrist" is not an insult
You say "again," but that's a radically different claim from "this is an insult nowhere in the real world". Even in neoliberal states it's often an insult!
And to billions more it is, so going by consensus...